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Example 11: River Phoenix (American actor, died outside a nightclub of a drug overdose at the age of 23).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Phoenix,_River

Lot of Fortune in Leo, Lot of Spirit in Aquarius. The lot of Basis is in Taurus/7th with Saturn (ruler of 3rd and 4th) and an exalted Moon (9th ruler). Basis is ruled by Venus/Libra/12th. An exalted Moon on Basis is good but Saturn on Basis is bad as is the ruler in the 12th.

Example 12: Elvis Presley (King of rock and roll, health declined from 1973 due to an addiction to prescription drugs and weight gain, died suddenly aged 42)

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Presley,_Elvis

Lot of Fortune in Libra, Lot of Spirit in Capricorn. The Lot of Basis is in Pisces/4th house with the Moon, ruler of the 8th. Ruler is Jupiter/Scorpio/12th.

Example 13: John Holmes (famous pornographic actor of the 70s and 80s, he died of AIDS complications aged 43).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Holmes,_John

Lot of Fortune in Cancer, Lot of Spirit in Scorpio. The Lot of Basis is also in Cancer/5th with Saturn, ruler of the 11th and 12th houses (12th house is also 8th from fortune - "the deadly place"). Ruler is the Moon/Aries/2nd.

Example 14: Jim Densmore (American musician whose career was hampered by stays in mental hospitals, he stabbed himself to death at the age of 27).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Densmore,_Jim

Fortune in Aquarius, Spirit in Aries. Basis is in Sagittarius/4th with Mars, ruler of the 3rd and 8th houses. Ruler Jupiter is retrograde in Aquarius/6th.

Example 15: Janis Joplin (Leading American singer and rockstar of the hippie years, a heroin addict, she fatally overdosed at the age of 27).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Joplin,_Janis

Fortune in Leo, Spirit in Virgo. The Lot of Basis is in Aries/3rd ruled by Mars/Sagittarius/11th. This shows her hedonistic lifestyle with bandmembers/groups and risk taking but does not appear to be too bad until the ruler is considered: Jupiter/Cancer/6th/retrograde with the Moon/Cancer is the same configuration as Kurt Cobain (his was in the 11th), who was also a heroin addict. In both cases Jupiter is the ruler of "the deadly place".

Example 16: Amy Carnevale (14 year old homicide victim. She was pregnant when her jealous 16 year old boyfriend stabbed her and concealed her body by weighing it down with blocks in a lake).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carnevale,_Amy

Fortune in Capricorn, Spirit in Libra. The Lot of Basis is in Pisces/4th with the Moon (8th ruler) and Mars (5th and 12th ruler). Ruler Jupiter is in Gemini/7th, in turn ruled by Mercury/Taurus/6th.

Example 17: Jennifer Abbot (Poisoned by her husband, aged 26).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abbott,_Jennifer

Fortune in Capricorn, Spirit in Aries. The Lot of Basis is in Taurus/4th with Saturn (1st and 12th ruler) ruled by Venus/Capricorn/12th (Venus-Saturn mutual reception).

Example 18: James Alenson (Stabbed to death by a classmate in school, aged 15).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Alenson%2C_James

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Capricorn/2nd ruled by Saturn/Aquarius/3rd/retrograde with the Moon (8th ruler). Sun/Leo opposes Saturn by under 2 degrees.

Example 19: Robert F. Kennedy (Attorney general, liberal and civil rights activist, he met the same fate as his brother shortly after delivering a victory speech during his campaign for the democratic party presidential nomination. He was 42.)
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Kennedy%2C_Bobby

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Pisces. The Lot of Basis is in Virgo/5th ruled by Mercury/Sagittarius/8th. JFK also had the ruler of Basis in detriment in the 8th. Mercury/Sagittarius/8th is consistent with the optimistic victory speech he gave minutes before his assassination although the condition of the ruler of "the deadly place" (Aquarius) is more indicative of the violent death he suffered (Saturn/Scorpio/7th with Mars (also 12th ruler) and the Sun (4th ruler).

Example 20 Alex Arredondo (American combat death, killed while on his second tour of duty in Iraq. He had just turned 20 years old.)
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Arredondo%2C_Alex

Fortune in Pisces, Spirit in Libra. The Lot of Basis is in Scorpio/6th with Mars (also 11th ruler), Moon (2nd ruler) and Saturn (8th and 9th/MC ruler).

For balance, the next group will be of people who lived to age 80 or longer, selected at random from Astrodatabank under the category "Personal : Death : Long life more than 80 yrs". The first 10 were those with AA data in alphabetical order under "A" (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cat ... han_80_yrs). The first natal chart with an Asc of 29.01 Aquarius and a new moon is excluded.

Example 1: Agnes Anne Abbot (German - American painter, died aged 95).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abbot%2C_Agnes_Anne

Fortune in Libra, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Cancer/6th with Venus (ruler of 4th and 9th/Fortune). Ruler is the Moon/Taurus/5th.

Example 2: Giorgio Abetti (Astronomer and solar physicist, died 2 months short of his 100th birthday).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abetti%2C_Giorgio

Fortune in Sagittarius, Spirit in Taurus. Lot of Basis is in Cancer 6th with Moon and Jupiter (ruler of 2nd and 11th/MC). Note also the tight trines involving the Moon and Jupiter (Moon trine Venus/Scorpio/10th, Venus ruling ruling 4th and 9th, and Jupiter trine Mars/Scorpio, Mars also ruling 3rd).

Example 3: Jean Abrial (French Admiral and Minister of Marine of France, famous for assisting in the Dunkirk evacuation, he was arrested and charged with collabaration in 1945, convicted and disgraced, he was sentenced to 10 years hard labor but was released less than 2 years into his sentence. He was later granted an amnesty. He died at the age of 82).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abrial%2C_Jean

Fortune in Gemini, Spirit in Aquarius. The Lot of Basis is in Leo/5th ruled by Sun/Sagittarius/9th. In own triplicity and in house of Joy, this is a strong Sun. The disgrace and hard labor sentence could stem from the ruler being Jupiter/Pisces/12th (which also indicates the forgiving nature of the authorities to release him early from his sentence and grant him an amnesty).

Example 4: Jean Absil (Belgian composer, died aged 80)
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Absil%2C_Jean

Fortune in Aquarius, Spirit in Capricorn. Basis is in Virgo/2nd ruled by Mercury/Scorpio/4th (10th from Fortune) with the Sun (1st ruler).

Example 5: Samuel Adams (American statesman and founding father of the U.S, a second cousin of John Adams, he died aged 81).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adams%2C_Samuel

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/3rd ruled by Saturn/Sagittarius/1st with Jupiter/Sagittarius. Saturn also rules 2nd and Jupiter also rules 4th. Saturn is sextile Mercury/Libra within 2 degrees and Mercury rules the 7th and 10th.

Example 6: Konrad Adenauer (German Chancellor after WW2, he was a driving force behind the rebuilding of the economy. He died aged 91).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adenauer%2C_Konrad

Fortune in Gemini, Spirit in Sagittarius. Basis is in Leo/6th ruled by Sun/Capricorn/11th with Mercury (4th and 7th ruler). Capricorn being the 8th from Fortune does not appear to have done him any harm.

Example 7: Felix Adler (German - American educator and ethical reformer, died aged 81).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adler,_Felix

Fortune in Pisces, Spirit in Aquarius. The Lot of Basis is in Libra/2nd with Jupiter (ruler of the 4th and 7th). Jupiter is tightly trine Mars/Gemini/10th (3rd and 8th ruler) and sextile Sun/Leo/12th.
Ruler of Libra is Venus/Leo/12th with the Sun. This is an interesting example where the malign influence of the 12th house appears to be mitigated by Jupiter being on Basis (with Jupiter ruling the "good" 4th and 7th houses). This also raises the issue of whether the 2nd house is a "bad" house (being in aversion to the Ascendant) or not. My experience is that it is not a malefic house, and in the context of the Lot of Basis is probably a favourable house as the Lot of Basis is "the security of the Ascendant" which can also be thought of as the Ascendants second in the same manner as the 11th house is the 10th house's second (i.e the King's friends/allies, those who protect/enhance the native's carrer/reputation).

Example 8: Jan Aerts (Belgian cyclist, a racer and award winner, died aged 84).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Aerts%2C_Jan#

Fortune in Gemini, Spirit in Cancer. Basis in Leo/2nd with Jupiter (ruler of 6th and 9th/MC). Ruler is Sun/Virgo/3rd/IC with Mercury in domicile (also rules 12th/Fortune), Venus (4th and 11th ruler) and the Moon (1st ruler).

Example 9: Gianni Agnelli (Business tycoon, Italian industrialist and the head of an auto empire. He was shot in the arm during WW2 service and was involved in two serious auto accidents, the first shattering his ankle and the second more serious accident smashed his jaw and leg. The leg became gangerous but he violently opposed amputation and spent 9 months recovering in bed. He had triple bypass surgery at the age of 59 and died aged 82).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Agnelli%2C_Gianni

Fortune in Scorpio, Spirit in Capricorn. Basis is in Aqaurius/3rd ruled by Saturn/Virgo/10th/Retrograde conjunct Jupiter (also retrograde). Saturn also rules the 2nd house and Jupiter rules the 1st and 4th. Saturn is opposed by the Sun (9th ruler) by a degree, an unfavourable configuration (perhaps lessened because the Sun rules a favourable house) as is the ruler of the lot being 8th from the lot. More research would have to be done to determine the influence of a retrograde planet ruling the Lot of Basis.

Example 10: James E Akins (American diplomat, died of a heart attack aged 83).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Akins%2C_James_E.

Spirit in Sagittarius, Fortune in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Aquiarius/7th ruled by Saturn/Scorpio/4th (ruler of the lot culminates with respect to the lot - very good). Saturn is with Mercury (2nd and 11th ruler). Jupiter/Aquarius on the lot rules the 5th and 8th houses.

Under "B" in the astrodatabank category "Personal : Death : Long life more than 80 yrs":

Example 11: Jean Bachelet (French director of photograpy of note during the 1920's and 30's, died aged 82).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bachelet%2C_Jean

Fortune in Aries, Spirit in Libra. The Lot of Basis is in Capricorn/6th ruled by Saturn/Libra/3rd/IC, Saturn also ruling 7th. Exalted Saturn is with Venus in domicile (also 10th ruler) and Sun in fall (1st ruler).

Example 12: Pietro Badoglio (Italian military officer and Mussolini's chief of staff. He was premier of Italy for just under a year during which civil war broke out over the signing of an armistice. He died aged 85, apparently being "bitter and obscure" in his latter years).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Badoglio%2C_Pietro

Fortune in Aquarius, Spirit in Capricorn. Lot of Basis is in Leo/1st ruled by Sun/Libra/3rd/IC conjunct a retrograde Venus/Libra (also 10th ruler).
This is an interesting case where the ruler is in fall with a benefic in domicile being combust. According to some, a planet in domicile, exaltation or in own bounds is protected or insulated from the negative influences of combustion. Sun and Venus are tightly square Saturn/Capricorn/6th (also 7th ruler) which appears not to have had any severe impact on him ("bitter and obscure" in old age is a rather minor impact for such an affliction from the out of sect malefic). Venus tightly applying a sextile to Mars/Sagittarius/5th (4th and 9th ruler) is a more favourable influence which may also signify his involvement negotiating peace (Libra) and participating in wars, at home (4th) and abroad (9th).

Example 13: Erich Rudol Bagge (Noted German scientist and university professor, he died aged 84).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bag ... ich_Rudolf

Fortune and Spirit in Taurus. Basis is in Scorpio/1st ruled by Mars/Leo/10th, Mars also ruling 6th.

Example 14: Mildred Caroon Bailey (American military woman, only the third woman (at that stage) to attain the high rank of general. She suffered from Alzheimer's disease in her old age abd died at the age of 90).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bai ... red_Caroon

Fortune in Leo, Spirit in Libra. Lot of Basis is in Taurus/3rd with Mars (2nd and 9th ruler). Ruler is Venus/Gemini/4th (Venus also 8th ruler) opposed by Moon/Sagittarius/10th ruler of the 5th.

Example 15: Isobel Baille (Scottish dame hailed as one of the greatest oratorio singers of the 20th century. She died aged 88 )
Natal chart:http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Baillie%2C_Isobel

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/3rd with Mercury (ruler of 7th and 10th) ruled by Saturn/Scorpio/12th/MC/retrograde. A rare example of a 12th house MC which is 2 degrees away from Saturn essentially makes Saturn more like being in the 10th than in the 12th (Saturn is also in Joy in the 12th). In any case, accidental benefic Mercury being on the lot would have been sufficient for a strong Basis, Mercury also being tightly trine Jupiter/Gemini/7th (1st and 4th ruler).

Example 16: Eugen Bamann (German scientist, died aged 80 or 81).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bamann%2C_Eugen

Fortune and Spirit in Cancer. Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/2nd with Venus (ruler of 5th/IC and 9th). Ruler is Saturn/Sagittarius/12th with Jupiter. This is another example of how a benefic on Basis ruling favourable houses mitigates against a badly placed ruler.

To conclude my contribution to this thread (unless there are any comments/queries), I will summarise the findings of this limited study of The Lot of Basis as it pertains to specific natal charts.
I will give a brief commentary on the five points I considered when assessing the Lot of Basis.

1. Any planet(s) with the lot, the essential nature of the planet, its dignity/debility and the houses it rules.

Comment: Based on the example natal charts shown above, this appears to be the most important factor, with any planet(s) on basis able to trump the ruler for good (see for example Felix Adler, Isobel Baille and Eugen Bamann) or for ill (Amy carnevale and John Holmes are the best examples here, where the ruler of the lot was otherwise well placed).
The ruler of the 8th house on basis is especially unfavourable, closely followed by the 12th ruler and ruler of 8th from Fortune. 6th house ruler is also generally unfavourable, although to a lesser extent. Essential nature of the planet is also important especially with regard to Saturn, the greater malefic, and Jupiter, the greater benefic. Dignity of the planet on basis is also important but the most important consideration is what
house(s) do the planet(s) on basis rule.

2. The ruler of the lot, its condition (dignity, house, etc). Planet(s) in the same sign as the ruler, the houses these planets rule.

Comment: If there are no planets on the lot, then this obviously the most important factor to consider. House position of the ruler is most important. Once again 8th and 12th are most undesirable, 6th also but to a lesser extent. Other houses are O.K but in order of favourability, I would go with: 1st, 10th, 4th, 11th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 2nd, 3rd.
Good essential dignity (or at leat not in detriment/fall) is also favourable.
Planets in the same sign as the ruler are also an important consideration. For example, in the case of Jayne Mansfield who was killed in a car accident, her Basis is in Scorpio/5th ruled by Mars/Virgo/3rd. Jupiter is also in Virgo. Jupiter rules the 6th and 9th houses, the 6th house also being "the deadly place" (8th from the Taurus Lot of Fortune).

3. The ruler of the ruler of the lot.

Comment: I have only considered this point in a few of the above examples and there were two conditions where it it appeared to be of significance:
1. Where the ruler of the ruler has a tight aspect with a benefic (George W. Bush: Saturn/Cancer ruled by Moon/Libra conjunct Jupiter by 2 degrees) or a malefic (Nicole Brown Simpson: Mercury/Taurus ruled by Venus/Cancer (with Mars) opposite Saturn/Capricorn by slightly over 3 degrees).
2. Where the ruler of the ruler is 8th from the ruler (Jayne Mansfield: Mars/Virgo ruled by Mercury/Aries. Janis Joplin: Mars/Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter/Cancer).

4. Position of the ruler relative to the lot of Fortune (with Fortune, 10 signs from Fortune and 8th from Fortune are most important).

Comment: The ruler handing over to fortune or 10 signs from fortune is favourable as is 11th from Fortune. The least favourable is 8th from Fortune as this is "the deadly place".

5. Aspects within a 3 degree orb are very important, especially harsh aspects involving the malefics.

Comment: The ruler and the ruler of the rulers tight aspects are important to consider. I have not analysed aspects by whole sign although they must have some influence.

Lot of Basis and longevity projection methods
If the Lot of Basis is undermined, then the projected lifespan may not be lived out. For example, consider the natal charts of Amy Carnevale (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carnevale,_Amy) and James Alenson (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Alenson%2C_James) who were both murdered at the ages of 14 and 15 respectively.
I am not aware of any longevity projection method that comes up with a lifespan anywhere near 14 or 15 years in these cases.

More generally speaking, if a long life is indicated, then the Lot of Basis is usually in agreement with this (i.e the ruler is strong and not undermined by malefic configurations), and on the contrary for short lives (e.g ruler might be in the 8th etc - see many of the examples above).

Lot of Basis and the manner of death
If the objective of the Lot of Basis is to preserve the natives life, then theoretically it should indicate the manner of death if it is associated with the 8th house, 8th from fortune (and perhaps the 4th house) as these are the houses associated with death. This is actually the case as can be seen in many of the above examples.

Is the Lot of Basis understimated?
Yes. I would argue that it is the second most important Lot to consider after the Lot of Fortune.

Case study: John F. Kennedy jr and Caroline Bessette Kennedy were killed when their light aircraft, piloted by John, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off Martha's Vineyard. Caroline's sister was also killed in the accident.
John was 38 and Caroline was 33.

Natal chart of JFK jr: The Lot of Basis is in Pisces/7th ruled by Jupiter/Capricorn/5th with Venus (ruler of 2nd and 9th) and Saturn (also 6th ruler). Because the lot of Fortune is in Gemini, Capricorn is "the deadly place". Jupiter defers to Saturn who is opposed by Mars/Cancer (3rd and 8th ruler) by under 3 degrees. One way in which Saturn harms is by falls from heights, which in this case was a fatal airplane crash (Mars - sudden accident) into the ocean (Mars/Cancer). His wife was with him (Jupiter is 7th ruler) as was his sister in law (Venus rules 9th which is 3rd from 7th - wifes sibling). Aquarius is associated with aviation, which in John's case was his 6th house (accidents) with Moon/Aquarius ruling Mars/Cancer.

Natal chart of Caroline Bessette Kennedy: In this case, the Lot of Basis is in the Ascendant with Mars/Aquarius (ruler of 10th and 3rd) tightly conjunct a retrograde Venus (4th and 9th ruler).
Mars/Aquarius indicates a fatal aviation accident because the ruler Saturn/Pisces is in "the deadly place" (Saturn/Pisces ruling Mars/Aquarius consistent with crashing into the ocean). Although Venus does not rule the 7th of the partner, the Mars-Venus conjuntion can be taken as a general significator of her famous (Mars rules 10th and Venus rules 10th from fortune) relationship with John. Fortune/Leo/7th indicates a famous husband, but her relationship with him led her to a watery grave (Ruler is Sun/Capricorn/12th ruled by Saturn/Pisces in "the deadly place").

Two prominent U.S political figures who survived serious airplane crashes are Edward "Ted" Kennedy (Mars/Aquarius in 2nd, 8th from fortune, ruled by Saturn/Capricorn/1st, basis also in Capricorn) and George H. W. Bush (Mars/Aquarius/6th - aviation accident during military service, trine lord of Basis (in Capricorn) Saturn/Libra/2nd with Moon/Libra, 11th ruler).
John Heinz (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Heinz,_John) was less fortunate when the airplane he was travelling in exploded midair (Fortune and Basis in Aries/2nd with a retrograde Saturn/Aries (11th and 12th ruler) ruled by Mars/Virgo/7th.

Case study 2: Two Police officers killed in the line of duty.
Charles Mehlberg (age 25) and John Machajewski (age 44) were Milwaukee cops shot to death while responding to a call about a tavern robbery (in 1981).

Charles Mehlberg: Source: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Mehlberg%2C_Charles

Unfavourable configurations:
Asc lord in 6th, Sun in 8th conjunct Saturn and Mercury because Mercury rules the deadly place, Lord of Fortune in 8th combust with Mercury, Moon in the deadly place, applying to planet in 8th.
Lot of Basis is in Scorpio/7th ruled by Mars/Pisces/11th. In a good house, but Mars (the out of sect malefic) is opposed by ruler Jupiter (also 8th ruler) in the deadly place by slightly over 3 degrees.

John Machajewski: Source: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Machajewski%2C_John

Unfavourable configurations:
Sun in 8th and Moon in the deadly place, ruler of the deadly place conjunct Mars (the out of sect malefic), aspecting a planet in the Ascendant (Saturn/Sagittarius) by fewer than 3 degrees.
Lot of Basis is in Gemini/7th ruled by a combust Mercury in the 8th.

Stellarium wrote:I More examples follow 12 posts down the thread...................................

With Fort, at 15 Cancer and Spirit at 16 Aries I take it basis lies at 29 Virgo, given my rising of 3 ? Gemini
Lord of basis Mercury is conjunct Saturn in Aquarius in 9, the place of death. Sounds like an airplane falling. I suppose I must stop travelling by plane. Saturn also lords H8

I enjoyed your post, Stellarium and I'm doing similar studies on the lot of fortune as it relates to famous individuals.

I was looking at my own lot of basis as well, though the ruler Mars is in the 12th house fortunately Jupiter (diurnal) is on basis and basis is tenth from fortune as well.. hopefully that undermines the negative placement.

I would like to add another observation, if you don't mind.

This chart is for famous singer Freddie Mercury:
http://bit.ly/eKLvdb
I think his "glory" comes from the lord of exaltation positioned in the ascendant, who uncannily rules the 6th house, a fame connected to illness. Wiki says, "The extent to which Mercury's death may have enhanced Queen's popularity is not clear. In the United States, where Queen's popularity had lagged in the 1980s, sales of Queen albums went up dramatically in 1992, the year following his death.[70] In 1992 one American critic noted, "what cynics call the 'dead star' factor had come into play?Queen is in the middle of a major resurgence".[71] The movie Wayne's World, which featured "Bohemian Rhapsody", also came out in 1992. According to the Recording Industry Association of America, Queen have sold 32.5 million albums in the United States, about half of which have been sold since Mercury's death in 1991.[72]".

Prior to his death,
"Toward the end of his life, he was routinely stalked by photographers, while the daily tabloid newspaper The Sun featured a series of articles claiming that he was seriously ill. However, Mercury and his colleagues and friends continually denied the stories, even after one front page article published on 29 April 1991, which showed Mercury appearing very haggard in what was now a rare public appearance.[56]
On 22 November 1991, Mercury called Queen's manager Jim Beach over to his Kensington home, to discuss a public statement. The next day, 23 November, the following announcement was made to the press on behalf of Mercury:[57]
Following the enormous conjecture in the press over the last two weeks, I wish to confirm that I have been tested HIV positive and have AIDS. I felt it correct to keep this information private to date to protect the privacy of those around me. However, the time has come now for my friends and fans around the world to know the truth and I hope that everyone will join with me, my doctors, and all those worldwide in the fight against this terrible disease. ..."

His lot of basis falls in the 8th house at 23? Pisces. Now there are a few alternatives to the ruler, the almuten of this degree though is Mars (trip, Ptolemaic term, and face). Mars is in Libra, in sect, and in detriment in the 3rd house/6th house from fortune (the "sickly place"? ). So we have two significations of death and sickness already. What's fortunate is the basis's ruler with two fortunes Venus and Jupiter, but again, in a weak place from fortune and somewhat helpful place from ascendant. Maybe this is arguably unfortunate as well, because Jupiter rules the deadly place (8th from fortune), and Venus rules the 8th from basis.


Venus and Jupiter are in an applying out of sign square to Saturn in the first house. Saturn rules the natal sixth house, and 12th from basis and is an affliction to the ascendant.

Very very interesting. Maybe his basis being with the two fortunes mal-aligned gives glory from death and illness/tragic suffering. And then consider how the death rulers (in context of basis and fortune) are in the 3rd house, media, and how he had to suffer publicly.

R.A. wrote:I enjoyed your post, Stellarium and I'm doing similar studies on the lot of fortune as it relates to famous individuals.

I was looking at my own lot of basis as well, though the ruler Mars is in the 12th house fortunately Jupiter (diurnal) is on basis and basis is tenth from fortune as well.. hopefully that undermines the negative placement.

Hi R.A,

Yes, I think you are fortunate to have Jupiter on Basis and Basis being 10th from fortune. What is clear from my studies, is that the essential nature of the planets involved must be considered. Jupiter, being the greater benefic, is beneficial, even if one of the houses it rules is malefic.

When I have more free time, I intend to add to this thread the natal charts of those who have been relatively fortunate in body and spirit (basis as intersection of fortune(body) and spirit), but had basis/ruler in bad condition and try to find out why this is the case (e.g other major significators strongly placed etc).

R.A. wrote:I would like to add another observation, if you don't mind.

This chart is for famous singer Freddie Mercury:
http://bit.ly/eKLvdb
I think his "glory" comes from the lord of exaltation positioned in the ascendant, who uncannily rules the 6th house, a fame connected to illness. Wiki says, "The extent to which Mercury's death may have enhanced Queen's popularity is not clear. In the United States, where Queen's popularity had lagged in the 1980s, sales of Queen albums went up dramatically in 1992, the year following his death.[70] In 1992 one American critic noted, "what cynics call the 'dead star' factor had come into play?Queen is in the middle of a major resurgence".[71] The movie Wayne's World, which featured "Bohemian Rhapsody", also came out in 1992. According to the Recording Industry Association of America, Queen have sold 32.5 million albums in the United States, about half of which have been sold since Mercury's death in 1991.[72]".

Prior to his death,
"Toward the end of his life, he was routinely stalked by photographers, while the daily tabloid newspaper The Sun featured a series of articles claiming that he was seriously ill. However, Mercury and his colleagues and friends continually denied the stories, even after one front page article published on 29 April 1991, which showed Mercury appearing very haggard in what was now a rare public appearance.[56]
On 22 November 1991, Mercury called Queen's manager Jim Beach over to his Kensington home, to discuss a public statement. The next day, 23 November, the following announcement was made to the press on behalf of Mercury:[57]
Following the enormous conjecture in the press over the last two weeks, I wish to confirm that I have been tested HIV positive and have AIDS. I felt it correct to keep this information private to date to protect the privacy of those around me. However, the time has come now for my friends and fans around the world to know the truth and I hope that everyone will join with me, my doctors, and all those worldwide in the fight against this terrible disease. ..."

His lot of basis falls in the 8th house at 23? Pisces. Now there are a few alternatives to the ruler, the almuten of this degree though is Mars (trip, Ptolemaic term, and face). Mars is in Libra, in sect, and in detriment in the 3rd house/6th house from fortune (the "sickly place"? ). So we have two significations of death and sickness already. What's fortunate is the basis's ruler with two fortunes Venus and Jupiter, but again, in a weak place from fortune and somewhat helpful place from ascendant. Maybe this is arguably unfortunate as well, because Jupiter rules the deadly place (8th from fortune), and Venus rules the 8th from basis.


Venus and Jupiter are in an applying out of sign square to Saturn in the first house. Saturn rules the natal sixth house, and 12th from basis and is an affliction to the ascendant.

Very very interesting. Maybe his basis being with the two fortunes mal-aligned gives glory from death and illness/tragic suffering. And then consider how the death rulers (in context of basis and fortune) are in the 3rd house, media, and how he had to suffer publicly.

Basis must be beneath the Asc/Desc axis and so cannot be in the 8th house.
I've looked for Freddy Mercury's data on ADB but they list his data as DD, however if you have some other celebrity chart in mind, I would gladly give my opinion.

Hi Stellarium,
Is it not (Basis) Asc + Spirit - Fortuna?

hi, RA

basis is the less distance between spirit and fortuna, so it will always be below the horizon.

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R.A. wrote:Hi Stellarium,
Is it not (Basis) Asc + Spirit - Fortuna?

Asc + Spirit - Fortuna

OR

Asc + Fortuna - Spirit.

Whichever is the shortest arc between spirit and fortune, which must be beneath the Asc/Desc axis. Rob Schmidt has explained the distinction between the two earlier in this thread.

Alright, thanks.
I'll look at Freddie's chart again.