With Moon in Virgo in the 6th making a trine to dignified Mars in Cap. in the 11th, I'll go out on a limb and say that after the ring went down the drain (assuming it did), maybe a competent friend (llth) and/or plumber (Mars ruling the 8th) took the pipes apart, found the ring, and was able to retrieve it and give it back to the querent in good shape (exalted Venus/ring square dignified Jupiter/querent and Venus received by Jupiter in his domicile).

Yes, AquaStella, it was a golden ring. But I took the Sun as the significator of the husband and the seperating sextile as an indication that she did listen to her husband and replaced the ring herself, which is shown by the seperating aspect of the Moon to the significator of the ring, Venus.
The Moon can be a co-significator for both the ring and the querent.
Carol: no, the ring did not went down the drain and was found by the querent!
Tienka

Hi Tienka: My friend lost her rings and had a very similar aspect of ruler being in house of Jupiter and she later found them where she buried them, deep in her dresser where she never put them before.

Her Moon was in Virgo too. So another guess would be with Moon leaving Venus in 12th in Pieces it might be in the bathroom next to the bedroom inside a container put inside a drawer or closet.

Another sign that ring would return to her is Moon aspecting Mars co-ruler of 1st (found by her) and 8th house of legacies. Part of Find (Moon + 4th cusp - 1st ruler) = 19'48 Pieces in the 1st showing the ring will be found by querent.

Moon trines Mars in 2 hrs so I see that as a strong possibility.

Kali

Source for Part of Find is 'The Horary Practitioner' Volume 1, page 15.

Kali

Hi Kali,
Thank you for your reply and I will look at the Part of Find, I never used that one before! I will have a look at the Horary Practioner and I will have a look in Zoller's book on the Parts, pehaps he explains where the formula is coming from.
Tienka

Hello,

I am new to this forum and to horary but I thought I give it a try anyway before I read what you all have written

Querent: Jupiter in rulership in Sagittarius cadent in the 9th.

Moon is not powerful, being peregrine, slow and cadent and opposing Venus, ? the quesited. Moon is just leaving an exact opposition ? she and her ring were separated. Moon?s next aspects are trine Mars, exalted in Capricorn in the 11th and then square Asc. ruler Jupiter, so at first it looks promising, but then some hindrance shows up and she won?t find it. (I?m not looking at the outer planets.) Moon also crosses Desc. and South Node.

Quesited: 2nd house ruled by Venus, which is also the natural ruler of rings. Venus is exalted in Pisces but is also cadent in the 12th. (Did it go down the drain?) Venus is square Jupiter, which indicates a hindrance - the the ring and the querent will not be reunited.

The 4th is ruled by Mercury, cadent in the 12th, in detriment and fall in Pisces, so it may have been damaged and is in an unsuitable location. Moon and Venus are both fairly close to a cusp, so the ring may be near a boundary.

Her husband is also shown by Mercury and the recent opposition between Mercury and the Moon shows the disagreement between them (did he take it to teach her a lesson?). Mercury is conjunct Venus in the 12th, so there may be a hidden connection between the husband and the ring. Moon is going to cross over the Desc. and the South Node after the square to Jupiter ? and I don't know yet what that means but a guess might be that her husband will then reveal to her where it is? Or going from cadent to angular means it will be found?

Now, from the way Deborah presented the case, it sounds like it did get found - but at this point, I'm not able to logic it out. My only guessed are that the husband is involved or that it went down the drain. I haven't learned about time yet, so I'll leave that alone for now.

Fun though!!! Thanks for the opportunity to play.

Helle

Hi Helle,
Yes, Helle, the ring was found. If you read Lilly, he tells us to look at indications of recovery. If you don't have Christian Astrology, Deb's article on lost and found, http://www.skyscript.co.uk/wit.html, could be of help here.
Yes, Mercury is lord of the 7th but also lord of the 4th, indicating the location of the ring. I can tell you that the husband was not iinvolved in the way you suggest:)
Thank you for your reaction!
bye,
Tienka

I hope it?s OK to add a few words here Tienka, as I won?t be able to get back to the forum until after the weekend. I tried not to reveal that the ring was found, but I suppose it would have been a poor example if it hadn?t been. I can say that Tienka?s yet-to-be-revealed judgement on this chart is very well reasoned, using the traditional techniques described by Lilly; so I strongly recommend using this chart as a reason to study the relevant passages in Lilly?s work (not my web article because that?s far too abbreviated).

Think of this as the mystery that must be solved, because the clues are really there and someone already came quite close, but there is much more to get out of this yet. It seems a lot of people are focussing mainly on the symbolism of the place of the ring (and some are confessing to ?guessing? ? which isn?t really the way to go ). Actually, this sort of information is something that presents itself during the course of looking at the vital question, which is ? ?what is the ?story? of this loss (and recovery)??

For this, look at the movement of the significators. What separates from what? Is the ring separating from the querent (suggesting that it fell or slipped away), or is the querent separating from the ring (suggesting that she moved away from the ring) ? in which case, has it been left uncontacted by other planets? (meaning it remains where it was left) [*at this point explore the signification of the place*] or ?

? has there since been a new planetary contact or interposition (meaning someone else picked it up)? In this case does the interposing planet suggest signification of a friend or a thief? [*at this point explore the signification of the thief and call the police*] Or is there then an upcoming friendly contact between the interposer and the querent to show the ring was picked up by a friendly person who will bring it back to the querent? [*cancel the police*] If not, what brings the ring back? Does the querent apply to the quesited ? meaning she comes upon the ring? [*if so, where?*] or does the quesited apply to the querent, meaning that is ?turns up again? by some other means.

If that hasn?t completely confused you then its time to go back to Lilly (first he will break you, but then he will make you ? ) Just remember that the symbolism of place needs to be wrapped around the story of the loss, as discovered through this kind of analysis. The most interesting thing is then to look at the timing, because timing is the icing and it has been my experience that there is always something relevant between the timing of the question and its resolution. It?s a lot to ask I know, but wouldn?t it be wonderful if someone could tell us ?who? where? how?? and also ?when??, before the mystery is fully revealed. This level of detail requires a lot of practice, which is the reason why this chart has been published

Thank you for the explanation , Deb !

Now, let me be a good student, and try to make use of your clues.

Moon is separating from Venus by opposition, so it is the querent that was unkowingly moving away from the ring (that was hidden from sight). Moon is still very much within orb of perfect opposition in the chart (only 4 minutes of arc away), suggesting the ring is still with her, but about to be abandoned and left behind soon.

I guess the querent had the ring hidden inside something she was in contact with , but soon to move away from.

Venus applies to square Jupiter and Moon applies to trine Mars. Jupiter and Mars are querent while Moon and Venus also co-signify the ring. in both cases we have 5 time units, so I guess the ring will magically reappear in 5 days or weeks.
Since Uranus is so close to the asc one could guess (not again ! guessing? ) the ring was lost by accident (distraction) and is to be found by surprise .

Anyway, following further instructions, one could note that Mars applies to Jupiter's antiscia and will perfect the "hidden conjuction" sometime before the Venus/Jupiter aspect perfects (before resolution), while Moon applies to square Jupiter after trining the MALEFIC Mars, which is exalted in the friendly 11th house, in Jupiter's fall and Moon's detriment. Might this Mars be a false friend (hehe, hubbie's secret mistress ) that was somehow involved in the whole affair?

I guess my imagination has just started running wild again...

Hi:
With Moon just leaving Venus and Mercury Lord of 4th conj Venus it's safe to say the ring is in the room where she last touched it, the kitchen near the sink. Venus symbolizes clothing and logically I think she put the ring in her apron and then taking off the apron and putting it in a drawer or hanging on a hook in a pantry near the kitchen.

Number of degrees between Moon and Mars is 4.39 degrees. Between Venus and Mars is just about the same. Because all the planets are quick in motion except Moon I'm going to say it is resolved with hours of horary time.

Kali

p.s. With Mercury in Virgo conj Venus "look in a place of Pictures, Carving or Books, or a place of Corn, and chiefly in Virgo." CA 353

Kali

Hi all,
Yes, Deb, thank you for your suggestions.

[so I strongly recommend using this chart as a reason to study the relevant passages in Lilly?s work (not my web article because that?s far too abbreviated).]

It was not my intention to leave Lilly out, Deb, but I was not sure if Helle had CA. If not, the article could be of some help
AquaStella, you wrote that Mars is also the querent, is that based on the fact that Mars rules the intercepted sign in the first? I didn't look at Mars in that way, but perhaps you are right. And yes, I agree with your reasoning about a magical appearance, based on the movement of Venus and the Moon. The time frame is still a mystery to me. At the time, I thought it would be hard to find and that it ould take some time, but I had no idea of when the ring would be found. But I am sure after revealing the outcome and the time of the recovery, some of you will reveal that mystery!
Hi Kali,
Mercury is in Pisces, not Virgo, and is in detriment and fall: how would you judge that opposed to being in Virgo?
Love to hear your thoughts on that!

bye,
Tienka