Janis wrote:Back to WBA - Stoke City, the underdog (Stoke City) won because the Moon immediately squared POF. If there is nothing else, it's a testimony for the underdog.

Moon 27LE24, POF 28SC17 - that is a neat detail!

Andrew Bevan wrote:I don't mind gving some thought to GB's thought of sticking to a traditional planet system, though, but there is a double role of the outer planets from the start.

Fully agree about the double role. I think we can have our traditional cake and eat it I use only the traditional planets in questions of VoC Moon and house rulerships, but I do consider aspects to the new outer planets (UR, NE, PL), particularly from the Sun and Moon.

I wonder if it is the Sun in aspect to the outers that is important or if it's the sect light. I'm finding that splitting day and night charts produces some interesting results. Too early for definitive conclusions, but definitely suggestive of a sect effect.

Graham

I wonder if it is the Sun in aspect to the outers that is important or if it's the sect light. I'm finding that splitting day and night charts produces some interesting results. Too early for definitive conclusions, but definitely suggestive of a sect effect.

Way to go!!