13 by Therese Hamilton http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:01 am
14 by Konrad Yeah, I was looking at this too. The Decennials for the period are Sun/Sun/Mercury which took over from Sun/Sun/Sun at the beginning of February this year. The Sun, as I said, is in poor state in the house of serious illness handing over to itself and the Mercury, lord of the 12th house and 9th house, placed in the Asc. The combination here is quite obvious as to how it played out in reality. The Quarters of the Moon are Saturn/Venus and again it seems obvious to me that there will be some problems in this time. Saturn opposes the Asc from its fall while Venus gives form and rules the Asc and Moon (the body) while being placed there. His profections for the year are Asc and Moon to Taurus, so we have Venus taking up the times again activating the Saturn opposition. There is a 4x11 rectangular number in the 44th year and that means Asc and the Moon also hand over to Mars and Jupiter showing some more confirmation of harm to the body. The East of the Year is in the Natal Asc showing concerns of the native's well-being and body are in focus. With the lady of the Year by profections and East of the year, Venus, transiting the natal 12th, we have this nasty Sun prominent again as well as the 12th house significations. The Moon in the revolution is transiting natal Mars while its domicile lord is that Sun in the 12th house. As Therese already said, Mars is overcoming the natal Asc, the East of the Year, the Moon and the Lady of the Year showing danger to the native's health. Of course, this is all in hindsight but there is ample evidence of his accident occurring this year. Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:09 am
15 by Martin Gansten That is a very unfortunate annual revolution, and of course a horrible accident to have happened. To begin with, the profected ascendant is in the 8th house square natal Mars; but I do not believe Mars to be the main culprit here. Being buried under a great weight is surely a signification of Saturn, as is suffocation and snow. The medieval Indian version of Perso-Arabic astrology, known as Tajika, seems to have preserved some teachings which have not come down to us through the Arabic authors translated into Latin. One of these is a more sophisticated version of selecting the Ruler of the Year, stressing the importance of this ruler aspecting the ascendant of the revolution. If none of the candidates aspects the ascendant, this is seen as an indication of misfortune. Such is the case in Prince Johan's current revolution, where the candidates are Venus, Saturn and Mercury, all found in the 12th house in Virgo. The most pertinent of these is Venus, ruling the natal ascendant, the profected ascendant, and the ascendant of the revolution. Being in its fall in the 12th house and closely applying to a conjunction with Saturn (also afflicting Venus natally), it certainly seems to fit the events. We must hope that the strength of Venus in the radix, and the aspect of Jupiter on the ascendant of the revolution, are enough to help Prince Johan pull through. Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:16 am
16 by Konrad Hi Martin, that method of finding the ruler of the year intrigues me. What exactly are the procedures that helped you arrive at Saturn, Mercury and Venus as potential lords of the year? Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:29 am
17 by Atlantean Hello Interesting discussion... I wanted to also comment to Therese. If we use the (Q2) Mean Quotidian progression of that Solar Return to the date of the incident, we have Pluto at the Midheaven and Saturn at the Descendant. ie. Saturn-Pluto paran square... Additionally, (using Topocentric) we have the South Node right on the 3rd House cusp. (malefics with the 3rd cusp, common for accidents) Take care James Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:45 am
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19 by Martin Gansten Konrad wrote:that method of finding the ruler of the year intrigues me. What exactly are the procedures that helped you arrive at Saturn, Mercury and Venus as potential lords of the year? There are slightly different rules for 'problem cases' in different texts, but the basic five candidates are: 1. the domicile ruler of the profected ascendant; 2. the domicile ruler of the ascendant of the revolution; 3. the (main) triplicity ruler of the ascendant of the revolution; 4. the domicile ruler of the sect luminary of the revolution; 5. the domicile ruler of the ascendant of the radix. A planet aspecting the ascendant of the revolution is always preferred to one not aspecting it. If several planets aspect, the one that is stronger and/or has more testimonies is preferred. In Prince Johan's revolution, Venus has the rulership listed under points 1, 2 and 5, while points 3 and 4 go to Saturn and Mercury, respectively. Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:36 pm
20 by Konrad Ok, nice one. Thanks. Did the technique then involve looking at the ingresses and stationings of this lord/lady to time things just as the more standard version of Lord of the Year would be looked at? Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:40 pm
21 by Therese Hamilton Varuna2 wrote: Those Equal houses are nice for showing the cusp points, but the problem for me is that they do not put the planets in the houses which I would expect them to be in with whole signs. For example, the Saturn is in the 6th house in the natal and navamsha of those Equal sign charts (rather than the 7th). Yes, I know that is a problem with the way the charts are printed. I make a mental adjustment, making the "cusp" the center of a house, so planets within 15 degrees on either side of the cusp are in that house. I don't print charts with house numbers as these would be wrong. It's easy to visualize whole sign houses for those who use them. I am really enjoying the professional level of the discussion on Prince Frisco's chart. I don't expect much from Jupiter's aspect in the revolution chart, however, since it's the lord of the 6th in both natal and revolution charts. The revolution Mars by its aspect highlights the natal opposition of Saturn in its fall in Aries opposing the Ascendant, 12th lord, and ascendant lord. This is how the western solar return chart works. The natal planets that come to the angles in the solar return chart are activated during that year. We have the debilitated Saturn (being buried, suffocation as Martin pointed out) coming to the fore in the chart for this year. So we are seeing both the Hellenistic principles and western sidereal principles working in this chart. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:55 pm
22 by Martin Gansten Konrad wrote:Ok, nice one. Thanks. Did the technique then involve looking at the ingresses and stationings of this lord/lady to time things just as the more standard version of Lord of the Year would be looked at? Offhand, I can't recall seeing this mentioned in a Sanskrit text, but I have not read all there is to read by a long way. In any case, my feeling is that some parts of Persian lore may have survived only in the Arabic texts that have come down to us, and others only in the Sanskrit texts (while some material may be lost for good). So in order to get a well-rounded astrological education, all you need is a working knowledge of Greek, Sanskrit, Arabic and Latin, good health to keep you going, and a nice private income for life. Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:37 pm
23 by Martin Gansten Therese Hamilton wrote:This is how the western solar return chart works. The natal planets that come to the angles in the solar return chart are activated during that year. When you say 'western solar return', are you referring to Fagan and his school? I ask because even in the west, the use of revolutions (as they were called) was established long before the 20th century. (And if you focus on the natal angles rather than those of the revolution, the tropical/sidereal difference won't matter much.) Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:43 pm
24 by Therese Hamilton Martin Gansten wrote: When you say 'western solar return', are you referring to Fagan and his school? Yes, this was Cyril Fagan's big discovery, the sidereal solar return. (SSR) I ask because even in the west, the use of revolutions (as they were called) was established long before the 20th century. (And if you focus on the natal angles rather than those of the revolution, the tropical/sidereal difference won't matter much.) As I don't have time to check the texts right now, did these revolutons focus on which natal planets came to the solar return angles? This is the principle of the Fagan school's return charts. The chart form I used was designed by siderealist Matthew Quellas to highlight the solar return chart and its angles. This is why he placed the natal chart on the inner wheel with the solar return angles as the primary chart structure. The Fagan school would not base predictions on solar return transits to natal angles alone since the solar return angles are the points of greatest importance. These angles, of course, are different in the tropical and sidereally timed revolutions, and different natal planets will be brought to the angles. Tropical astrologer Robert Hand and others have found the sidereal timing of return charts to give more accurate angles for prediction. The Moon's longitude will also be quite different in these two types of returns. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:23 pm