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That avoids the detriment conundrum and could swap varshaphala for vimshottari but how do you treat the 7th house aspect.Martin Gansten wrote:When I began studying astrology for real almost 25 years ago, it was the classical Indian branch (jyotisha); but nowadays my approach is more Perso-Arabic in nature (with Indian and Greek ideas included, as they were in Baghdad 1200 years ago). Because I do basically Perso-Arabic astrology in a sidereal zodiac, I sometimes loosely identify my style of astrology as Tajika (Perso-Indian).
From my point of view, yes, Mars and Saturn are in trine aspect (mutual -- there are no one-way aspects in 'western' or Tajika astrology), albeit separating. I see detriment (or exile) as a rather mild debility, nothing like fall, and would think it more relevant that Mars is (or has been?) received by Saturn by exaltation.pankajdubey wrote:I think the crux lies with the detriment concept and special aspects.
In the chart above, is the 10th lord Mars in detriment and does Saturn aspect Mars.
I still look at dashas from time to time, though they are not the top layer of my toolbox. As for aspects, what you call a 7th house aspect would be an opposition to me, either by sign or by degree. Do you mean whether I consider it an evil/hostile/difficult aspect? To that I would answer yes, though qualified by the natures, dignities and rulerships of the planets involved.That avoids the detriment conundrum and could swap varshaphala for vimshottari but how do you treat the 7th house aspect.
For the aspect, Saturn does aspect Mars: in Western by a sinister trine, in Jyotish by a 50% aspect (Parashara BPHS Ch 26.2-5, Varahamihira BJ Ch 2.13).pankajdubey wrote:I think the crux lies with the detriment concept and special aspects. In the chart above, is the 10th lord Mars in detriment and does Saturn aspect Mars.
Maybe that NN from the hosue of service could have helped with his calling. With hindsight (oh so easy) I could have added that sidereally Jupiter is ruler of 9 and exaltation ruler of ASC (Cancer), aspecting Moon R1 in 10. As James has pointed out in Trad forum, tropically Jupiter is "a planet with a natural symbol for religion, conjunct mars [ruler of 9th]".Jupiter aspect to 10: higher knowledge (University research?), teaching or the judiciary.
(The double aspect of Jupiter and Saturn, according to K.N. Rao, strengthens a house by the combination of the expansive nature of Jupiter and the concentrating nature of Saturn. It's supposed to be about bringing things to manifestation and realisation ? it's considered a condition for childbirth). [...] There could be a strong Mars quality to his work/career, also Saturn, Jupiter and NN (which partakes of nature of Jupiter as it is alone in Sagittarius).
Martin - do you have any suggestions for reading on Tajika astrology? Would Benjamin's Dykes's annotated translations be good, or do I have to go to Indian books (groan...)?Martin Gansten wrote:When I began studying astrology for real almost 25 years ago, it was the classical Indian branch (jyotisha); but nowadays my approach is more Perso-Arabic in nature (with Indian and Greek ideas included, as they were in Baghdad 1200 years ago). Because I do basically Perso-Arabic astrology in a sidereal zodiac, I sometimes loosely identify my style of astrology as Tajika (Perso-Indian).
Well -- Tajika is Indianized Perso-Arabic astrology, and in fact seems to depend largely on the writings of Sahl bin Bishr. So if you want to get an idea of the sources used by early Tajika authors, then yes, Ben Dykes's translations (particularly of Sahl) are very useful. But over the course of the centuries there have been changes, textual corruptions, reinterpretations and innovations, so what you find Indian Tajika practitioners doing today is not exactly 9th-century Perso-Arabic astrology. To get an idea of the later tradition, I'm afraid you'll have to go to the Indian books (and unless you read Sanskrit, most Indian translations are another major obstacle). I hope eventually to get funding for a major research project including the translation of an important Tajika work, but that will take a few years...Graham F wrote:Martin - do you have any suggestions for reading on Tajika astrology? Would Benjamin's Dykes's annotated translations be good, or do I have to go to Indian books (groan...)?
Graham,Graham F wrote:For the aspect, Saturn does aspect Mars: in Western by a sinister trine, in Jyotish by a 50% aspect (Parashara BPHS Ch 26.2-5, Varahamihira BJ Ch 2.13).pankajdubey wrote:I think the crux lies with the detriment concept and special aspects. In the chart above, is the 10th lord Mars in detriment and does Saturn aspect Mars.
I understood your question about the 7th aspect the same way as Martin - do you agree with him that it should eb considered difficult, or just a contact?
Graham