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James_M wrote:

The new chart replicates the potusa chart that i like to use for the usa - april 30 1789, 1245 pm - nyc.. exact same angles to the degree in this chart fwiw..

That chart is a little contentious on timing but irrespective of that point World leaders elected as presidents or prime ministers during this cycle often have exact conjunctions between their nativities and the degrees of the planets or angles found in these once-every-two-decades mundane horoscopes.

I have displayed President Obama's chart below in a bi-wheel with the conjuntion chart in the inner wheel.
There are numerous factors in Obama's chart connecting his nativity to the 2000 JSC chart:

-North Node on the ASC of the JSC chart for 2000.

-Moon conjunct the Venus (MC ruler) for the JSC chart .

-Moon sextile Moon in JSC chart.

-Mars trine Jupiter-Saturn in JSC chart

-Lot of Fortune trine JSC chart ASC

-Jupiter trine Venus and the Sun in JSC chart.

-Mars trine JSC Lot of Fortune

-Saturn conjunct the JSC South Node.

-ASC conjunct Uranus in the 2000 chart.

-ASC/DESC sextile/trine JSC Mars

-Natal nodes sextile/trine JSC Mercury

-Pluto square Sun in JSC chart

Mark

The POTUSA chart, 30 April, 1789 New-York, New-York, 12.45 PM _LMT_ is supported by much more historical evidence of time than any of the 4 July 1776 charts, which have the DAY wrong to begin with, aside from being inadequately informed of the nature of what an Etat is, for which reasons they are to be treated with the greatest of care, placed in the circular ceramic file in the smallest room of the house or office.

The ANGLES of the POTUSA chart are confirmed by the Vernal Aequinox set for either Philadelphia or New-York, viz.:

1.Vernal Aequinox 20 Mar 1789 04h09 UT Philadelphia:

ASC 28.46 SC
MC 12.50 VI
A/M 20.48 LI
VX 13.11 CN
SO/MO 23.47 AQ

@ NYC:

ASC 29.17 SC
MC 14.06 VI
A/M 21.42 LI
VX 13.25 CN

@ loc WDC

ASC 27.48 SC
MC 10.50 VI
A/M 19.20 LI
VX 12.42 CN

4. POTUSA 30 APR 1789, 12.45 LMT NY N-Y

ASC 28.40 LE
MC 22.44 TA
A/M 10.42 CN
VX 20.52 CP
SO/MO 13.26 GE

5. Q.E.D

Contacts between charts of these larger and smaller planetary cyclic moment are important _only for the angles_ in terms of the 8th, 4th and 2nd Harmonics (0-45-90-135-180 amplitudes). Comparing two or more charts and using the 3rd harmonic, planets to planets which are not the conjunction planets, will inevitably create a lot of false noise, which should be ignored. Such exo-planetary contacts are probably applicable to several millions of persons and constructs. Hence they are not significant.

Contacts as defined above between angles are very significant and quantitatively measurable.

feliciter.
Lorenzo Smerillo

Ariondys wrote: it seemed to work precisely back to 1583 and clearly deviate at the boundary of 31 Dec 1582 - Jan 1 1583 (why that date I can't imagine.).

1582 was the year most of Europe switched over from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar, but this happened on October 5th (Julian).

Hi Curtis,

I think you must have missed my post above. I got this from Wikipedia:

Four Catholic countries - Spain, Portugal, the Polish?Lithuanian Commonwealth, and most of Italy - implemented the new calendar on the date specified by the bull, with Julian Thursday, 4 October 1582 being followed by Gregorian Friday, 15 October 1582. The Spanish and Portuguese colonies adopted the calendar later because of the slowness of communication. Other Catholic countries soon followed. France adopted the new calendar with Sunday, 9 December 1582 being followed by Monday, 20 December 1582. The Dutch provinces of Brabant, Zeeland and the Staten-Generaal also adopted it on 25 December of that year, the provinces forming the Southern Netherlands (modern Belgium) except the Duchy of Brabant on 1 January 1583, and the province of Holland followed suit on 12 January 1583.

Many Protestant countries initially objected to adopting a Catholic invention; some Protestants feared the new calendar was part of a plot to return them to the Catholic fold.

So the implementation of the new calendar across Europe was a very patchy affair with most Protestant countries holding out much longer.

For example the United Kingdom of Great Britain (including its American colonies) didn't adopt the calendar until 1752. What is not generally, reported though is that as an independent state Scotland had already adopted the new calendar in 1600! I am still not entirely, clear what calendar was being used in Scotland between 1707 (political union with England) and the adoption of the new calendar everywhere in the British empire. Did Scotland have to revert to the Julian calendar for those 45 years? I am still not clear.

In orthodox countries in Europe such as Russia, Greece and Romania there was similar suspicion of this 'Roman Catholic' calendar and the Gregorian calendar was not adopted in these countries until the 20th century.

Here some useful links on the topic. The position of Sweden was especially bewildering!

http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/ye ... tries.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/jul ... witch.html

Mark

Thanks Mark.

I had to deal with this issue years ago when I wrote a DateTime component based upon Jean Meeus's Astronomical Algorithms. It was the first component I wrote for the Delphi environment back in the 90's and was a precursor to writing astrological software. The calendar issue came up on whether to use Julian or Gregorian after a certain date (in Oct 1582 for most of Europe). It was later used in Timaeus planetary hours software which involves calculating the 168 hours of the week according to astronomical rise and set times of the Sun. I was able to use Kepler's equation of center for the early versions, but shortly thereafter discovered the Swiss Ephemeris DLL. I was on my way to calculating the planets positions using perturbation terms and the JPL ephemeris after discovering Jeffrey Sax's Pascal routines had a problem for post 2000 dates myself until Alois Triendl saved me from that. This is where I ran into the calendar issue.