dragonqueen wrote:Thanks Mark
The natal position of planets is then very importante.But his Venus is angular as well.

I must apply to political asylum in my own country,since I have an angular Jupiter
Would you include aspects from transpersonal planets too?

For Madrid:(birth time converted to GMT)

Venus was opposing natal MC and for Madrid ,venus is lord and also squaring the relocated MC.
Moon opposes relocated MC
Venus cannot escape the natal Venus sq Moon- that goes with him.

That should explain the Spain.
Asylum in your own country is usually of mental type.Jupiter just protects you from getting there


PD

Thanks
Would you consider J?piter strong even if peregrine,in cadente 9th house(its own), but angular by division,in sect,no aspects,ruling 7th and 10th WSHs?

I have it setting right over Tromso,Norway,and rising in Toronto.

Anyway what Mark says explain my poor luck in Venus zones(peregrine,in evil natal house and ruling one evil house) That says all

Dragonqueen wrote:

WSH but, Venus is close to IC

If your using WSH then I find your logic difficult to fathom. This is undeniably a cadent Venus. Its true medieval astrologers (using quadrant house systems) have the so called 5 degree rule which means that a planet 5 degrees from a cusp is interpreted as already in the next house. However, Venus is over 6 degrees from the IC here.

I suppose using a quadrant house system with cusps at the centre ( i.e Sripati house system) one could find Venus angular here.

Mark

dragonqueen wrote:Thanks
Would you consider J?piter strong even if peregrine,in cadente 9th house(its own), but angular by division,in sect,no aspects,ruling 7th and 10th WSHs?

I have it setting right over Tromso,Norway,and rising in Toronto.

Anyway what Mark says explain my poor luck in Venus zones(peregrine,in evil natal house and ruling one evil house) That says all

Marry a Norweigean working in Toronto
or a Tornton working in Oslo.

PD

Mark wrote:Dragonquuen wrote:

WSH but, Venus is close to IC

If your using WSH then I find your logic difficult to fathom. This is undeniably a cadent Venus. Its true medieval astrologers (using quadrant house systems) have the so called 5 degree rule which means that a planet 5 degrees from a cusp is interpreted as already in the next house. However, Venus is over 6 degrees from the IC here.

I suppose using a quadrant house system with cusps at the centre ( i.e Sripati house system) one could find Venus angular here.

Mark

Oh I see.I was biased by Gauguelin study

pankajdubey wrote:

dragonqueen wrote:Thanks
Would you consider J?piter strong even if peregrine,in cadente 9th house(its own), but angular by division,in sect,no aspects,ruling 7th and 10th WSHs?

I have it setting right over Tromso,Norway,and rising in Toronto.

Anyway what Mark says explain my poor luck in Venus zones(peregrine,in evil natal house and ruling one evil house) That says all

Marry a Norweigean working in Toronto
or a Tornton working in Oslo.

PD

LOL

A few examples.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sta ... _Sylvester

http://www.locational-astrologer.com/interCouteau.html
Sylvester Stallone came to fame in New York, with a "Jupiter-MH."
Stallone's Jupiter is rich in traditional aspects.

Then Stallone moved to California after his first "Rocky" movie and put Mars into his new Tenth, about five degrees from the midheaven.
Stallone's Mars has an applying square to Uranus, and a sextile to the Sun.

Q. So he proceeds to build a career based on action movies with Mars themes.
a.Certainly. It's easy to see how that worked. While in New York, Stallone had a strongly-aspected Jupiter up near MH along with Moon. The Jupiter accounted for the lucky breaks in general, and also injected a "good guy" Sagittarian vibe into his first movie. The Moon, over New York, brought us his Cancerian girlfriend in the first movie and the sense of an intimate view of home life. This is just a comment about the fascination of locational charts in general. Then he goes to Hollywood where his Mars occupies Tenth. So his movies run on in with incredibly Mars-oriented, warlike themes.

So Couteau is telling us that weakly-aspected planets draw us to a location, and bring success. But let's look at Stallone's Jupiter and Moon (New York) and his Mars (Hollywood).


Stallone had Moon near MH in New York. His natal Moon is clearly:
square Saturn
conjunct Jupiter
sextile Venus
trine Uranus
and is square Sun.



Stallone Natal Positions:
SU14CA15 MO22LI46 ME10LE16 VE22LE04 MA09VI36 JU18LI11 SA26CA34 UR10GE11 NE5LI57 PL10LE35




Stallone had Jupiter near MH in New York. His natal Jupiter is clearly:
conjunct his Moon
square Sun
sextile Venus
square Saturn, and
trine Uranus.


In New York he had these well-aspected planets, Jupiter and Moon, near midheaven and became a rags-to-riches phenomenon. Then when he moves to California, he gets the Mars-10, which shows up on an astrocartography map as a "Mars-MH line." But Stallone's Mars has a healthy sextile to the Sun, and is in an applying square to powerful Uranus. So again his locational, angular planet -- this one in L.A. -- is well-fed by strong aspects.

Q. This view makes a lot more sense than the Couteau idea, actually...It seems you would lean on a strong planet rather than a weak one.
a. The idea that strong aspecting makes a planet more potent and useful, is a venerable, well-tried astrological observation. A "well-aspected" planet is more "coherent" and potent. It is integrated with other parts of the personality; a part of "the loop" of the larger personality; better-connected. So leaning on it, or using it, gives stronger results and, to the native, more meaningful activities. It's common in my work that when a client is in work they find meaningless, usually a poorly-aspected planet will be found to be ruling their locational career house. When the client is well-engaged with a meaningful career, you'll find a strongly aspected planet in charge of the career house. This is nothing surprising, and is a very old concept.

In reality, successful people tend to "lean on" their stronger limbs; not their weaker limbs. Check out Oprah Winfrey in Chicago: She has Jupiter near the midheaven and her Jupiter strongly aspected with traditional aspects.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sch ... %2C_Arnold

And Arnie has J?piter MC in CA, Sun/Saturn setting

Dragonqueen,

Please keep in mind this is the mundane forum not the natal area. Snowden's nativity qualifies here only because of his impact on political events.

However, discussion of film celebrities is not really appropriate here unless they are running for office! So Sylvester Stallone is not appropriate topic for this forum.

If in any doubt please take a look at the mundane forum guidelines:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5239

If you want to discuss the general natal implications of Astro*Cartography like this I recommend you open a new thread in the General and Nativities forum.

Thanks

Mark

Mark wrote:Dragonqueen,

Please keep in mind this is the mundane forum not the natal area. Snowden's nativity qualifies here only because of his impact on political events.

However, film celebrities are not appropriate here unless they are running for office! So discussing Sylvester Stallone is not appropriate here.

If in any doubt what is appropriate take a look at the mundane forum guidelines:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5239

If you want to discuss the general natal implications of Astro*Cartography like this I recommend you open a new thread in the General and Nativities forum.

Thanks

Mark

Ok,sorry cause Im still unfamiliar with the forum

Dragonqueen

Ok,sorry cause Im still unfamiliar with the forum

No problem. Just thought I needed to let you know how thinks work here as your new.

regards

Mark

Snowden is in J?piter/moon firdaria.The Scorpio Moon fits but I would expect Mercury to be strong at this time

mark is correct in pointing out natal positions are a primary consideration. putting something on an angle isn't going to alter what is suggested in the natal chart according to natal astrology theory..