"I know. I can't see how to use that 8th house Jupiter, which is your friend the lawyer."

Except to say that one meaning of the 8th in legal charts is "friends or assistants of the defendant."


"At this point I'd say that what this means is even though his career is going great and he gets what he wants, that somehow this will not be so good for him. At some point we have to accept what the chart says, let it speak for itself and not try to force what we think is the case onto it."

That's an excellent point and I think youre right. I did brush over some difficult aspects of the chart in my original post. My feeling about the case, now that he's got it, is not so good...

I like the example you gave of your job overseas. The highlighted 8th House perhaps signified the depression and "blackness" of the experience?

"So you have quite a few really bad signs here ? his planet in the 8th along with POF, a very angular Mars square the ASC and Uranus. I?m not so sure about the specifics, but it does look like there?s trouble ahead. This is a real mixed bag. I?d go out on a limb and tell him to watch out, that a surprise is in the offing and that it could cost him some money and provide some anxiety for him."

Yeah I know! That afflicted Mars on the Midheaven (squaring Uranus) doesnt look good. Bit hard to miss really. It could mean sudden reversals for him, I think.

As always, I'll keep you posted on developments

Thinking aloud here a bit, but going back to the question about which house to use as signifier.....I wonder if say you were a photographer and you wanted to know if you would get a wedding, you would look at significator of the 7th or the 5th? and see if that linked to either the 1st or 10th House ruler? I'm not sure if that's a valid approach or not.....perhaps I got the right answer the wrong way with this chart....it's just occurred to me that Mars could be seen as a general ruler of "defended matters"...and a trial is a type of battle really! So Mars (trial) at the Midheaven might have been telling me the answer very simply here.

Speaking of court matters, I'll just plead ignorance about this chart.

I have never done or seen a court chart, so I just don't know if that 8th house Jupiter is seen as a radical 8th house = bad thing, or if it's a turned 2nd-from-the-defendent's-house = resources thing.

One thing I am sure of is that it doesn't mean that he's got some great, "dark and mysterious"" 8th house sex headed his way.

I'm really stuck with this chart. Other than that aspect to the north node, there are no upcoming aspects. No aspects usually mean nothing happens. But somethind did happen, his friend passed him the case. Sure the Sun in the 11th might point to that. But the other apects in this chart have already happened. You sure picked a tough one to start out with.

Well it seems the moon is void-of-course, which makes me wonder now why I was so confident with my interpretation! I suppose I saw the trine to the North Node as an up-coming aspect, but it's not a planet, just a "point" so perhaps the chart is not radical or even fit to judge.

Perhaps i got a bit carried away because I saw all those planets in the 10th House

MarkF wrote:I'm really stuck with this chart. Other than that aspect to the north node, there are no upcoming aspects. No aspects usually mean nothing happens. But somethind did happen, his friend passed him the case. Sure the Sun in the 11th might point to that. But the other apects in this chart have already happened. You sure picked a tough one to start out with.

This is something I remember grappling with at the time. The Mercury/Jupiter aspect was separating by ONE MINUTE! So that raised a difficult issue of interpretation. I dealt with it by saying I thought the case would arise from a matter that was literally "under his nose" at the time of asking the question. I quizzed him about his current contacts and asked him if he was SURE there wasn't a case literally staring at him, but he just said no, I dont think so.

MarkF: "Speaking of court matters, I'll just plead ignorance about this chart.

I have never done or seen a court chart, so I just don't know if that 8th house Jupiter is seen as a radical 8th house = bad thing, or if it's a turned 2nd-from-the-defendent's-house = resources thing."


No Mark i reckon you'd be quite capable of interpreting this chart.!

It's not a "legal" chart in the strict sense. That term is normally used to describe charts drawn up to answer particular legal questions, such as "what will be the outcome of the case." And you would normally use an "event chart;" you would simply cast the chart for the time at which the court case began. (Although I guess horary would be suitable for other legal questions).

As you pointed out earlier, this should really be seen as a "career" chart. It was really a "work" question more than a "law" question. But I used some of the interpretations of Houses used in legal charts, as I felt these were relevant here and ought to work.

Going back to first principles: the querent, the lawyer, is obviously represented by the First House. So what does the 7th mean here?

(Normally, in a true "legal" chart, 7th would be the "opposing party" i.e. if First House was the plaintiff, the 7th House would be the defendant; and vice versa).

But here I would tend to interpret the 7th as the client (or prospective client) of the lawyer - i.e. the defendant (or future defendant). So perhaps I was right after all to use the ruler of the 7th (Mercury) as the defendant.(But I was wrong, arguably, to give "defended hearings" and "trials" generically to the 7th).

And Jupiter is the lawyer, posited in the 8th, which as you point out is not such a pretty position. But in legal charts, 8th can mean assistants of the defendant. Perhaps I am wrong to borrow this interpretation here; but it kind of makes sense when you turn the chart. Because then the lawyer (Jupiter) is in the 2nd to the 7th i.e. the lawyer is part of the "resources" of the defendant/client - something upon which he/she can call for help

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I am sorry I cause you so much fear and stress with my link.
I know what you feel. it's ok.

regarding the chart, the void of course is always in power.
meaning: nothing you wish for will happen.

Happy Val day and night.

Should we count an aspect of the Moon to the Nodes or to the Part of Fortune when determining if the Moon is void of course?

Does anyone here have any views on that??

aspects of the Moon to the Nodes are the most important part of horary.
also if the moon is exactly on same degree number as the Nodes it means that fate is strong here and we should be very careful.

moon about to aspect a Part of Fortune is still void of course. I figure it out
after watching 1000's horary charts for sport predictions where you see the result in real time.

once I asked something personal and I hate to find that the moon is void of course. that's why I added many bodies and part to the chart to cancle the void.

did not help. it was stuill VOC.

well in that case, the moon wasn't void in this chart, because it was approaching a trine to the North Node

actually, I didn't look at the chart before.
I just read what you folks wrote about it. I am creating a new post, analizing your chart my way. it will be called: kurgal' question

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A. it's not FortuneTeller. it's foreteller.
B. you think about outright spammng and scamming. not me. it's your fears and your ego. you can overcome it by asking horary if your fearful Ego
is correct. the ancient art of horary astrology answers all.
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