Unique_ Astrology wrote:

Near time New Moon and event transit charts for the killings in Dallas, TX, on July 7th, 2016.

The New Moon in Dallas on July 4th when done in right ascension had an MC at 3?05' and it's Pluto on the Desc at 3?07'. The Sun and Moon at 104?02' were conjunct the Sibly Sun at 104?29' and square Sibly Saturn at 194?36'

Good idea to check the previous lunation Bob. Always a valuable chart to examine.

I dont follow your nifty right ascension calculations but it sounds impressive.

Summary of Transits (Ptolemaic aspects only)

-Tr New Moon/Sun on Sibly Sun

-Tr New Moon/Sun Sq Sibly Saturn

-Tr Mars Sq Sibly Moon

-Tr Saturn Conj Sibly ASC

-Tr Uranus Square Sibly Mercury

-Tr Pluto Rx opp Sibly Sun

-Tr Sun opp Tr Pluto

curtis,

thanks for your comments.. that is a fascinating take by neil macdonald in cbc from a few years ago and i hadn't read or been aware of it.. he is still around... i think drugs and the role they play in us culture plays an important part of the picture here too.. generalizing 4 things for me - availability of guns, drug/gang culture, racial issues, and ex military types being hired on police forces - which is a more complex topic involving the role of the usa in the many foreign wars it has engaged in over the years..

all of this however pulls me away from astrology and i would like to keep the focus on the astrology.. you mention the jupiter/saturn conjunction of 1980 under the reagan years.. this chart is supposed to supersede the aries ingress charts and as i understand it, the chart was used as an important part of understanding the approx 20 year period.. one could run profections off this chart and could treat the aries ingress chart and how it connected to this chart as giving greater insight into the 20 year cycle.. so, below i have posted this important chart from the year 2000 and will make some astro observations off of this chart as it relates to the aries ingress, it's own solar return chart, in combo with this profected year for the present..

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the obvious connections being made to this chart at present via the transits of mars at 23 scorpio and saturn at 10 sag get picked up right away. this year (2016) is profection lord jupiter - sag rising back to this 2000 chart, so greater importance is given to it's placement in the root chart and in the solar return chart which i have posted below..

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the 2016 solar return to this 2000 ju-sa conjunction chart has cancer 20 rising, so an emphasis into the 12th house of the root chart.. the sr midheaven is at 3 aries, where the moon is located in the 2000 chart.. the sr moon is on the 7th house cusp of the root chart as well.. mars at 29 scorpio squares the ascendant, while saturn opposes the mars/sun conjunction in the root chart.. here is a biwheel which might help.

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now, maybe i am reading too much into the charts! maybe i am off in not elaborating more on how these charts intertwine with each other, or have not given enough insight into how this particular year 2016 connects back to the 2000 jupiter-saturn conjunction root chart, but it is interesting if nothing else! my biggest regret is not also discussing how the aries ingress chart connects back to this 2000 jupiter-saturn conjunction.. perhaps someone else can take this up? here is a biwheel chart for this which hopefully someone else would like to take up? thanks

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bob - unique astrology.. quick response - the 8:58pm time for the dallas shooting is given in the wikipedia link i also shared..

i am away this week and not able to respond properly even today as i prepare to be away for the next few days.. thanks for sharing your valued perspectives here everyone..

mark,

thanks for your comments on the post saturday 9:55pm.. can i classify you as 'un-classifiable'? or would you prefer 'eclectic'? i must classify everyone and everything, lol..


unique astrology bob, 6:44am post

interesting idea of a geographic center for the usa close to lebannon, ks.. and tying the lunation before the event to the sibley chart is also interesting.. i am like mark in being a bit mystified by the use of right ascension connections, but i think it is relevant. thanks.

The celestial equivalent of longitude is called right ascension. Right ascension can be measured in degrees, but for historical reasons it is more common to measure it in time (hours, minutes, seconds). I use degrees and minutes because I think they are more familiar to those dealing with astrology.

If 2 or more bodies share the same right ascension and declination they form an eclipse as viewed from Earth.

The Speculum shows the New Moon Sun and Moon measured in right ascension to be the same distance from zero degrees Aries, expressed in degrees, and minutes of arc (6:56:08 in the standard hh:mm:ss), and Pluto just 2 arcminutes above the descendant.

Data copied from Solar Fire.

NM Dallas in RA Jul 4 2016 - Natal Chart
Jul 4 2016, 6:47:50 am, CDT +5:00
Dallas TX 32?N47' 096?W48'

...........................Upper.......Set
Parans to Mon....104?02'
Parans to Sun ....104?02'
Parans to Plu.......................003?07'
Parans to MC......003?05'

Hi James,

I like the idea of looking at the 'Big Daddy' chart ie the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction!

Must say i have never seen a solar return derived from this kind of chart but why not?

Interesting observations on the Aries ingress and transits to this chart too.

James_M wrote:

bob - unique astrology.. quick response - the 8:58pm time for the dallas shooting is given in the wikipedia link i also shared..

On the timing of the first shootings in Dallas I have investigated this. I think the Wikipedia time is probably incorrect.

Your quite right this is given as 20:58 in Wikipedia
However, the BBC report and ABC news put this down as 20:45.

Its seems the Wikpedia are relying on a local Dallas Newspaper (Star Telegram) report put out shortly after the shooting began. At that early stage they thought there might be two shooters and talk about one being arrested.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local ... 75577.html

I think the BBC piece was put out sometime the next day. I suspect more eye witneseses had come forward by then pushing the time of the first shooting back slightly.

ABC NEWS live reporting confirms the BBC time.

''The gunfire broke out around 8:45 p.m. Thursday. Live TV video showed protesters marching along a street in downtown when the shots erupted and the crowd scattered, seeking cover.''

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/late ... d-40426075


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835

Personally, I'm going with the BBC/ABC news on this one and using the 20:45 time.

Mark

hi mark,

as i understand ibn ezra and 'the book of the world' book of his on mundane astrology, he was running profections off the jupiter-saturn conjunction chart.. maybe i have it wrong, but i picked up the idea - pretty sure - from this book thru him.. the idea of running a solar return off the chart seems to merit attention as well.. check it out and let me know what you find..

as for the dallas shooting time, i was only working with the wikipedia time.. if it is earlier and closer to 845pm - that makes even more sense in so far as pluto being closer to the ascendant angle and for this cosmobiologist very close to an exact hard aspect off the midheaven too.. see the chart below... the aspect is half way between a 45 and a 90, or what is a 67.30 degree aspect, or circle divided by 16 ( 22.30) x 3...

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One of the Uranus squares to Pluto occurred on May 21, 2014. When timed to 10:26:52 am, CDT, in Dallas it had an MC at 14?07'. Transit Uranus at 14?08' was conjunct the MC, transit Pluto at 284?07' squared it. Sibly Sun at 104?29' was squared by the MC and Uranus and opposed by transit Pluto while Sibly Saturn at 194?36' was on the IC, opposed by transit Uranus and squared by transit Pluto.

The New Moon of July 4th measured in right ascension with the Sun and Moon at 104?02' aspected all of those points agitating a Grand Square forged from the Sibly chart and the Uranus - Pluto square.

hi bob,

curious why you are looking at a chart for may 21 2014? i don't see an exact pluto uranus square in this chart.. thanks


mark,

it is interesting profection lord for this year off the 2000 ju-sa conjunction chart is jupiter.. jupiter rules the 5th and the 8th house... the jupiter/saturn square in the aries 2016 washington ingress chart connects directly with mars in the 2000 chart..

An object's "true body" position in space is measured in right ascension, not longitude.

The positions in this image are shown in right ascension. You can see the square between Uranus and Pluto is within 000?01' of exactness. The time was used to obtain planetary exactness with the angles rather than the exact square between Uranus and Pluto.

thanks bob. that lays it out pretty clearly and i see you are also making connections back to the sibley chart.. thanks. can't remember the degree of the other charts sun (sag rising, verses gemini rising), but it will be similar..