The President is elected and the world moves on but...they are still counting votes in Florida! Looks like it could be the weekend until all the votes are counted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml

Several reasons are proposed for this electoral mess:

-Electoral Officials are blaming the unexpectedly high number of absentee ballots and the length of the ballots, which included 11 proposed state constitutional amendments, for long lines at polling places and delays in tallying final results.

-Democrats are criticising Republican Governor Rick Scott's decision not to extend early voting ahead of Election Day, after it was cut back from 14 to eight days by Scott and the Republican-controlled Legislature. This does seem to have been a factor in in causing exceedingly long voter lines at many precincts on Tuesday.

Mark

Good afternoon,

Things might differ due to the klimata boundaries transversing the USofA. Florida is situated in another klima than e. g. Maine. Bio-diversity, including human, is methinks fact, not fancy.

Best regards,

lihin

Wanted to throw out this observation. Not sure where to take it from here. We are in Mercury retrograde so a good time to chop it up.

About 2 years ago I saw a state-by-state map of the United States which showed a large number of states where Latino populations exceeded 50% of total state populations. There was a remarkable coincidence between these states (mostly western) and territory that the United States claimed through the Louisiana Purchase under the Jefferson administation. I have made the connection between Virgo and territories acquired through the Louisiana Purchase through Jefferson's own natal Jupiter/Virgo/4th in A Rectification Manual. In addition, other natal Virgo-USA natal-mundane connections include James Polk's own natal Mars/Virgo which through directions timed key events in the Mexican War.

Even for Obama for Mars/Virgo/8th - during his last Mars return a male Latino was arrested outside the White House after he fired towards the White House.

What I am suggesting here is the assignment of Virgo to many western states including those obtained through the Louisiana Purchase and after the Mexican War. And indirectly assigning Virgo to Latino populations in those states.

Assignment of geography to a sign is known as choreography as detailed by Ptolemy and others. Undiscovered at the time, there are no mundane sign correspondences to the North American region published as far as I am aware.

This is not a virgin topic as I have one book by a modern astrologer published in the 1970s I believe which maps the United States territory by sign.

Without getting into a detailed literature review, my own findings take Sagittarius as the overall sign for the USA but with Virgo as an important sign for certain regions as just discussed. I am sure that a study of every locale will reveal the evidence of all 12 signs in the USA but so far am confident that Sagittarius and Virgo dominate all others.

Now what is my point

If Virgo is assigned to states with high Latino populations, and the the United Sates acquired these territories after the Jupiter Saturn conjunction (JSC) made its transition from fire to earth with the 1802 JSC in Virgo

can it be stated that as we transition from JSC's in earth to JSC's in air (a process started in 1980/1981 and to be completed in 2020, that territory claimed by the United States during JSC's in earth signs will be 'effectively returned' to those populations who ruled the territories prior to 1802?

This does not necessarily mean the USA will break up after 2020, only that Latino voters will fully dominate electoral politics in those states after 2020. This is a thesis I have been playing with and I would welcome other comments on it.

RegulusAstrology wrote:Wanted to throw out this observation. Not sure where to take it from here. We are in Mercury retrograde so a good time to chop it up.

About 2 years ago I saw a state-by-state map of the United States which showed a large number of states where Latino populations exceeded 50% of total state populations...

Around 1990, I bought Mark Penfield's book "Horoscopes of the Western Hemisphere" and noted some interesting coincidences. For those not familiar with the text, it has charts for inceptions for the foundation or incorporation of cities and states.

1. For cities east of the Mississippi, there seemed to be disproportionate numbers of cities with Virgo rising and Mars in Leo in the 12th. At first I thought that this was because some of them happened to have the same foundation date, but checking closer most foundation dates are decades apart.

2. West of the Mississippi, most charts seemed to have a predominance of fire signatures in the chart (a predomination of planets in Leo, Sag or Aries).

At the time I was somewhat more inclined toward modern techniques and trying to explain this, I came up with a modern psychological reason for this. I reasoned that settlers in the east decided to lay aside their "pioneer aspirations" (Mars in Leo = pioneer, 12th - 12 = laying aside) and decided to become practical in their daily habits (Virgo rising). The predominance of fire in the west I reasoned was the result of free spirited pioneers embracing the urge for adventure.

[Edited Mississippi]

Geoffrey wrote:Might I suggest that there has been a new innovation in mundane astrology in this Presidential election.

Most astrologers have taken one chart (or a very few charts) chosen to represent the election and work out an answer on that chart.

Chris Brennan has collected all these attempts together in a Grand Canonical Ensemble and worked out a weighted mean of their results, which turned out to be correct.

Lee Lehman also chose this approach. She has effectively taken a statistical mean from a number of different charts, which also turned out to be correct.

Is this the way forward then? Instead of looking for the one-chart-which-rules-them-all, take all the charts and methods which might speak in a meaningful way about the results and bring them together in a formal way to determine a tendency from all of them?

Geoffrey

Post-Gauquelins, and post-Gauquelin critics, I think astrology is long overdue for some real expertise in quantitative research methods applied to large collections of horoscopes. A big problem is that too few people with real statistical expertise understand astrology, and too few astrologers understand statistics beyond a sort of first-year entry level.

Based on my one university statistics course, long ago and far away (and re: Curtis's comments,) statistics only tell you if two or more phenomena are correlated at some level of significance. Significant results don't explain why phenomena should be correlated, nor why you get outliers that don't conform to the normal patterns. So if you get a result that holds in 18 out of 20 cases, it is probably highly significant, but it doesn't explain why the relationship holds, nor what was going on with the two non-conforming cases.

For that you need supplementary information, which probably comes from realms of information outside of your specific test.

People who do understand statistics re: mundane political events would seem to be the ones crunching the numbers for the Obama campaign. They had it down to a science; and I believe, at the precinct level in "battleground" swing states.

In terms of multiple charts, I assume people are familiar with the work of astrologer Bill Sheeran, who made the case for looking at several radical charts for analysing Irish statehood.

RegulusAstrology wrote:Wanted to throw out this observation. Not sure where to take it from here. We are in Mercury retrograde so a good time to chop it up.

About 2 years ago I saw a state-by-state map of the United States which showed a large number of states where Latino populations exceeded 50% of total state populations. There was a remarkable coincidence between these states (mostly western) and territory that the United States claimed through the Louisiana Purchase under the Jefferson administation. ......

If Virgo is assigned to states with high Latino populations, and the the United Sates acquired these territories after the Jupiter Saturn conjunction (JSC) made its transition from fire to earth with the 1802 JSC in Virgo

can it be stated that as we transition from JSC's in earth to JSC's in air (a process started in 1980/1981 and to be completed in 2020, that territory claimed by the United States during JSC's in earth signs will be 'effectively returned' to those populations who ruled the territories prior to 1802?

This does not necessarily mean the USA will break up after 2020, only that Latino voters will fully dominate electoral politics in those states after 2020. This is a thesis I have been playing with and I would welcome other comments on it.

Regulus, no state claims 50% or more Latino/Hispanic population if we back out illegal/undocumented residents who do not show up accurately in US census figures. New Mexico comes closest at around 47%, but several large states like California actually have more people who check off this background on their census form. Some Louisiana Purchase states have very low percentages of Hispanic voters. The US total is roughly 17%

The Cuban American population of Florida is highly significant, politically. They tend to be more Republican than voters of other Spanish-speaking roots such as Mexican-Americans.

You can see a state-by-state breakdown at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_a ... _Americans

A break-up of the US along linguistic lines is highly unlikely. You would have to think through the political process whereby this could happen along linguistic lines. Right now the majority of Latinos are urban, which is true for the US as a whole. You just can't draw a line around a Latino homeland. What I do think will happen in the future is that the US will acknowledge two official languages.

African American voters also proved to be a highly significant voting block in the 2012 election. What the Republican strategists are now grappling with is how to attract more young, minority, and female voters. They do not necessarily identify with the conservative values of older white guys. The Tea Party still doesn't get this.

geoffery

thanks for sharing the link to lee lehmans comments... i liked what she said about void of course moons.. it is another example of some relying on a single factor to decide something as i read it...

i have more to say to some posts here but it is going to have to wait til i am on a proper computer as opposed to this netbook..

Regulus Astrology wrote:

About 2 years ago I saw a state-by-state map of the United States which showed a large number of states where Latino populations exceeded 50% of total state populations. There was a remarkable coincidence between these states (mostly western) and territory that the United States claimed through the Louisiana Purchase under the Jefferson administation. I have made the connection between Virgo and territories acquired through the Louisiana Purchase through Jefferson's own natal Jupiter/Virgo/4th in A Rectification Manual. In addition, other natal Virgo-USA natal-mundane connections include James Polk's own natal Mars/Virgo which through directions timed key events in the Mexican War.

I am afraid I have to disagree with your theory. Your notion that high Hispanic populations in the US today are concentrated in states which formed part of the Louisiana purchase is substantially incorrect.

The boundaries of the Louisiana purchase were more vague than some maps make out as the French had a fairly hazy idea of these territories and in addition there was some counter-claims on the boundaries by the Spanish Empire.

Nevertheless, I personally, dont think your theory adds up since in reality there is a much stronger link between states with high Hispanic populations and former territory of Spain (Florida) or Mexico (1845 +1848) rather than the former French territory in the Louisiana purchase. Mexico only emerged as an independent Spanish speaking state in 1821 so if you want to take this back to Jefferson's time you could say these territories were predominantly part of the Spanish Empire.

In particular California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico and Texas. Mexico also controlled western Colorado, Its also worth remembering Florida was purchased from Spain in 1819.

I have done a breakdown of the 15 US states with highest Hispanic population recorded on census data in 2010:

1. New Mexico 46.3%
2. California 37.6%
3. Texas 37.6%
4. Arizona 29.6%
5. Nevada 26.5%
6. Florida 22.5%
7. Colorado 20.7%
8. New Jersey 17.7%
9. New York 17.1%
10. Illinois 15.8%
11. Connecticut 13.4%
12 Utah 13.0%
13 Rhode Island 12.4%
13 Oregon 11.7%
14 Washington 11.2%
15 Kansas 10.5%

States highlighted in bold are on territory formally part of Mexico before becoming US states or in the case of Florida Spain. I accept eastern Colorado, The Texas pan handle and the extreme NE of New Mexico probably fell in French territory.

Examining states in the former Louisiana purchase area we see many states that do not demonstrate especially high Hispanic populations. Looking at the states involved we see Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, , Iowa, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Wyoming. The only areas falling in the Louisiana purchase area that seem to have significant Hispanic populations at present are Texas pan handle, NE New Mexico, eastern Colorado and Kansas.
Mark

These maps based on 2010 census data give a county-by-county breakdown of the percentage of Americans who self-identify as Latino/Hispanic, according to percentage of the total population as well as per cent change from the 2000 census.

http://blog.videominutes.net/2011/06/02 ... opulation/

These maps are not based on absolute numbers, which are highest in California (over 10 million) and Texas (over 6 million.)

In the second map you see historical Hispanic concentrations along the Rio Grande valley in TX, NM, and CO; Cuban American strength in southern Florida, Mexican Americans in urban and agricultural California, and a Puerto Rican concentration around NYC. You can pick up a few rural concentrations elsewhere in the West, but not a lot of people live in some of these areas.

The first map, showinging percentage of Hispanic growth in the past decade, indicates significant growth throughout the US, notably in rural areas and small cities in the South and Midwest: i.e., in current "safe" Republican districts. These trends should continue due to in-migration and a birth rate righer than the US average.

This site shows the percentage African Americans by 20 in 2010, combined with some dubiously contributed maps on female-headed households and poverty:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/southernbreeze/7175251549/

It shows a historic African American concentration in the South, plus less visible but very real concentrations throughout urban America. If you take a close look at Ohio, you can see a Black concentration in Cleveland. I can't swear to it, but this group probably helped win Ohio for Obama. Ditto for the Black voters of Norfolk, Virginia.

If we overlook the questionable motives of the poster of the other maps; well obviously, to the extent that Democrats of any ethnicity seem to care more about women's issues and poverty than the Republicans, we can see why the voting public is changing, and why it will decreasingly favour senior white males in 2016. (Sorry guys-- just the statistics.)

But on an astrology forum, the bigger question is, does any of this matter? It surely does to campaign strategists. But if we can just whip out a chart showing that the moon is above or below the horizon in an election year, do any of these social variables matter one hoot?

Would Bernadette Brady be predicting a simple "throw the bums out" mentality when the electorate tires of its incumbants? Does her method predict that the Republicans will reformulate themselves to be more relevant to America's minorities? Or does voting behaviour no longer matter?

Waybread wrote:

Would Bernadette Brady be predicting a simple "throw the bums out" mentality when the electorate tires of its incumbants? Does her method predict that the Republicans will reformulate themselves to be more relevant to America's minorities? Or does voting behaviour no longer matter?

Its nothing to do with that kind of sociological or political analysis. Brady relies on good old visual omens in the sky in true Mesopotamian style!

In terms of US Presidential elections Brady highlights the Venus cycle that US elections fall under.

Venus rising on the morning of the inaguration is seen to favour the incumbent while Venus in the evening sky is seen to favour the challenger. Its a little more complicated as links to Saturn (The king) favour the incumbent while those to Jupiter (Prince in waiting) favour the challenger.

To find out more on Brady's method read this link:

http://www.zyntara.com/VisualAstrologyN ... pt2008.htm

Brady wrote that article in September 2008 and predicted the following results based on the Venus cycle:

2008-Challenger party wins-Correct
2012-Incumbent party wins-Correct
2016-Incumbent party wins
2020-Challenger party wins

In her own words:

On a final note, whichever party gains the White House, they will hold it not only in the 2012 elections but also in the 2016 elections. In the election of 2012 a Morning Star Venus radiates the Sun-Saturn conjunction which will give much blessing on the king. In the 2016 which is an Evening Star election, Venus once again radiates Saturn, with no threat to the king. So Visual Astrology is indicating that the ruling party will hold the White House for at least 12 years. Presidents may change at any stage but the "family" that wins this current election in 2008 gets a very large prize indeed.

Kings or Presidents, it is all just power and rivals which is the intrigue of any royal court. Not much has really changed since astrology first emerged between the rivers of the fertile crescent.

So her prediction in 2008 was that the Republicans would be out of office until 2020. Interestingly, the Moon-location method at inauguration supports this view too. Brady states this method has worked at every US Presidential election since 1900. The only two exceptions are the elections of 1933 and 1981. In 1933 Franklin Delano Roosevelt defeated the incumbent Herbert Hoover despite a morning rising Venus. Brady explains this as due to Venus radiating with Jupiter with Mars on the king star "Regulus". In 1981 Ronald regan defeated incumbent Democrat president Jimmy Carter with a landslide victory. This was despite Venus bing a morning riser on election day. Brady attributes this to Venus radiating to the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. To recap in Brady's visual astrology Saturn has associations with the King (in office) while Jupiter is seen as the Prince in waiting.

In the election chart for November 6th we have Venus as the ?Morning Star? rising before Saturn (the King) representing the established leader (Obama) and the Sun, auspicious for the King (Obama) as Venus is conferring her blessings upon the holder of high office. Normally when Venus rises in the morning, it assists independent action and a chance for those in charge to take a few risks, thus a morning star Venus rising tends to favour established leaders rather than challengers who have to strike deals, make concessions and find the need to cooperate to get the chance to assume the top position. As Venus shines her light on Saturn (representing Obama), Jupiter normally seen in Visual Astrology as the prince in waiting or the challenger to the throne (representing Romney) is nowhere to be seen.

Mark

Hmmph.

So don't bother voting, people. It will make no difference to an election outcome.

I wonder if her system "works" for other countries.

Oh, like China which changed leadership [sort of] around the same time.