It is in the SF5 manual:

http://www.solarfire.info/SolarFiremanual.htm

Chapter 9, page 73
But it lists different options for multiple solar returns and harmonics(demi,quarti or other...

PD

thanks panka! is there a pdf page number that you can direct me to? i have downloaded it, but it is tricky finding 'chapter 9' as opposed to a pdf page number!!!

got it - page 83 of 475 page pdf. thanks again..

Martin Gansten wrote:I'm sorry, but I still don't get it. The 9th harmonic of a single chart (the revolution) will still be a single chart. How do you get nine different ones?

I think I get it now: it's not a harmonic (in the ordinary sense), but a division of the year into nine equal parts as measured by the Sun's motion. It is thus a variant on the practice of dividing the year into twelve equal solar months (which could be called 'dodecads'). Well, I'll look at it and see if anything useful emerges.

martin,

i think you have got it right.. it is essentially the sun moving 40 degrees or 1/9th of the circle forward with the resulting charts off it's position all connected directly to the suns natal position.

in order to get this via solar fire - my version is 7.3
highlight the solar return chart for the particular year.
go to ->returns and ingresses. then -> in the options menu select advanced return selections.. choose sun - 9th harmonic with the sun position data in the box asking for this.. it will generate 9 charts that are essentially transit charts that coincide with where the sun will be every 40 degrees or approx 40 days from the primary solar return for the particular year. i am not sure how this works in other versions of solar fire..

Martin Gansten wrote:

I think I get it now: it's not a harmonic (in the ordinary sense), but a division of the year into nine equal parts as measured by the Sun's motion. It is thus a variant on the practice of dividing the year into twelve equal solar months (which could be called 'dodecads'). Well, I'll look at it and see if anything useful emerges.

Yes, that's it Martin. I'm sorry I couldn't explain it more clearly. James Eshelman writes that Donald Bradley experimented with the 12 solar months, but some failed miserably unless they coincided with the Enneads. That's how Bradley discovered the value of the ninth division of the year.

Anyway our western astrology programs call this ninth division a ninth harmonic. Actually with that choice we don't even have to calculate the solar return, but can type in any date and get the ninth chart of the year for that date. But it's best to refer back to the possibilities shown in the revolution which is also the first Ennead of the year.

just a quick note.. it will generate 8, not 9 charts. the first chart is the solar return to it's natal position.. the 9th chart would be the following years solar return.. it generates 8 charts..

James wrote:

i am following your discussion on the enneads with great interest.. i have solar fire 7.3. but i am unable to generate the charts you are showing here in the program i have.. perhaps i am missing something..

James, let me know if Pankaj has solved this problem for you.

May I respectfully ask why you don't use capital letter when you type? Especially the small "i" beginning a sentence is rather unsettling. This makes reading a little more difficult without the visual break of capital letters. Call me a stickler for details, (and too easily annoyed) but I wonder why no caps?

We've really gone off topic this time, haven't we? I'll start a new thread on enneads if I find them useful, though so far I'm not thrilled -- transits and, to some extent, continuous profections still look like more reliable tools to me.

James wrote:

just a quick note.. it will generate 8, not 9 charts. the first chart is the solar return to it's natal position.. the 9th chart would be the following years solar return.. it generates 8 charts..

Yes, this is true. The first chart is the solar return or "King Ennead."

I don't know if the newer versions of Solar Fire allow you to use the outer chart cusps with another chart in the center as is necessary to easily read the Ennead and solar return. I have a special module designed by Matthew Quellas that gives this option. (Usually only the inner wheel cusps can be used for bi-wheels.)

I would be happy to share that module if it can be used with later versions of Solar Fire. You'd have to ask Astrolabe if the codes are the same.

Martin Gansten wrote:

We've really gone off topic this time, haven't we? Very Happy I'll start a new thread on enneads if I find them useful, though so far I'm not thrilled -- transits and, to some extent, continuous profections still look like more reliable tools to me.

Well, Enneads are only cyclic transits set against the natal chart for a specific period of time. Profections: Yes, a great tool. Actually it would be good to see some examples of those if you have time to start a Profection thread, Martin. Profections haven't been much used here in North America.

Enneads: Often there is really nothing happening in those charts (little or no angularity), which should mean "life as usual" for that period of time. A promotion, a job coming through, the birth of a child, marriage....the Ennead should clearly show these types of events.

Domicile rulerships, the topic of this thread? Well, reading the solar return and cyclic charts such as the Ennead depend very much on house and domicile rulerships, so these charts can be used to confirm these traditional assignments.

Just one thing to say before this thread closes- most of the confusion has occurred because of the terms used have been novel and not explained and the method individualistic.


BTW
I got the explanation for James' query from Therese's answer here:

http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topi ... ntonobama/



Also, this thread shows the value of peer review and Frawley should join us- in a different forum of course.

PD

pankajdubey wrote:

BTW
I got the explanation for James' query from Therese's answer here:

http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topi ... ntonobama/

You know what's scary?? I have absolutely no recollection of writing any of that.