Currently, I’m politically homeless -- I’m not a fan of Trump/Pence, Biden/Harris (nor Sanders and company for that matter) and yes, I’m an American voter. Reading various comments in this thread, I have been thinking Trump might be the winner.

However, after hearing Trump’s Covid news and earlier news of Trump’s disastrous interrupting at the debate I started to wonder… hence, I asked the horary question “Will Trump be re-elected???? Also, I erected another horary at the request of a voter who doesn’t want Biden/Harris to win (I’ll cover that in a separate post).

Because these two charts are about election 2020, I thought posting in the mundane Election 2020 thread might be the place (there’s Tanit’s example). However, if these charts are moved to the horary section, that will be fine with me. Thank you very much.


Analysis: “Will Trump be re-elected????

I used Regiomontanus and tried to read from two different methods, and this is how I see Trump v. Biden for election 2020.

Trump’s job as POTUS will expire on Jan. 20, 2021 and he wants to renew his job. Biden wants to take over that job in 2021. MC is their goal and the Moon is representing me and others (the electorate). Sagittarius at the cusp of MC is the house of the presidency and its lord is Jupiter.

1st Method: To me, the fact that the Sun is in Fall signifies the image of Trump, and Biden seems to fit as Saturn in domicile. Therefore, I’m using the McEver (and early Louis) method by assigning 7th house for Trump and 1st house for Biden.

Doing so, my reading seems to indicate that Trump will be renewed as POTUS because:

The Sun (Trump) is applying to Jupiter (MC). The Moon (electorate) is heading towards Saturn (Biden) but blocked by retro Mars. Since the Moon disposes to Mars, and Saturn is Fall in Aries, I would think the Moon is not able to reach Saturn. So, who is retro Mars? It is possible that Mars is representing SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United State) because Scorpio is at the cusp of 9th house. The planet being retrograde (repeat) reminds me of the Bush v. Gore dispute in the 2000 presidential election.


2nd Method: I am nonpartisan, so according to Frawley it is 10th vs 4th. The current POTUS (Trump) will be assigned to MC and Biden, his opponent, will take 4th. The Moon is already applied to Jupiter (Trump) by square. Now separated from Jupiter, the Moon is moving towards Mercury but first runs into retro Mars (as already said) and after that the Moon will be prohibited by Saturn and not be able to reach Mercury. Therefore, regardless of future mutual application (soon will be retrograde), Mercury (Biden) won’t get the Moon (electorate). So, the only aspect that is valid is the Moon to Jupiter; Trump gets the vote.

It is hard not to notice that in my reading, SCOTUS (H9) appears again and again (curious, I wonder…). So, in this chart, Jupiter and Saturn are placed in radix 12th house which is derived 9th house from IC (Biden’s house). Also, his significator Mercury is conjunct cusp of radix H9.

By the way, I calculated the Part of Resignation & Dismissal according to Frawley’s recommendation in The Horary Textbook, Revised Edition, page 253. Interesting that the Arabian Part is conjunct IC (Biden) opposing MC (POTUS)… not a good omen for Biden.

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This is what I see in the 1st chart (and the 2nd chart shows the same result, based on a different method). But it is only three weeks to the election and all the polls and newspapers say Biden’s way ahead. Really, it is hard to believe that Trump is going to win.

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Data: Friday, October 2, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
San Francisco, CA (US)

The querent is a former avid Obama/Biden supporter, but is now disturbed by the direction the Democrats are taking. When Biden chose Harris, X decided to go for Trump.


Analysis: “X asks is Trump going to win????

The chart is rather confusing due to only Mercury and Jupiter signs occupying four angles. If I place Trump (X’s choice) as 1st house candidate then 7th and MC will be ruled by Mercury.

Nevertheless, the querent’s choice is so clear that H1 vs. H7 is the method I am going to follow. It’s similar to the approach used in sports astrology. 1st house goes to his or her favorite (Trump in this case) or home team (incumbent) and 7th house goes to opponents. MC is the prize (POTUS).

Both significators, Mercury and Jupiter, are approaching to the cusp of MC. Furthermore, Jupiter is applying to MC by less than one degree. However, Jupiter is a very slow planet. Will Jupiter reach MC before Mercury? The answer is yes, because Mercury is going to retrograde (refrenation); therefore Jupiter will get there.

But I’m a bit uncomfortable with Mercury representing both Biden and MC. Therefore, I looked up the Moon (electorate) to see if she has something to say…
There are no aspects from the Moon to Mercury nor Jupiter. Looks like she is VOC… Status Quo!

The Moon is Void of Course in fixed sign (Leo) and she (23 Leo 35') is termed by Jupiter. So Trump will continue as President.


Data: Monday, 12 October 2020 at 11:03 a.m.
San Francisco, CA (US)

regarding the possible chaos and violence or protests and etc from nov 3rd and after, i think a lot of astrologers are considering this possibility.. i think i and a few others have mentioned this before also... i mostly commented on the coincidence of the mercury station right on the day of the election and the uncertainty that i think will be a byproduct of this on the election date itself... however i did have a conversation on the mars retro and station which happens shortly thereafter... these are my quick thoughts on that which are taken directly from a conversation via e mail on this as seen below...

it's interesting mars 135 ascendant.. my software has this on nov 3rd exact (via retro) but i am using krishnamurthi.... ascendant 6 leo 57.. the window of mars at 21-22 pisces is fairly wide as this is where the station of mars is at 21 pisces and change.... all of this time frame into nov 24th and maybe a few days more - is mars 135 ascendant by transit in trumps chart..

i suppose it depends on whether you think mars is positive or not in trumps chart..

when i think of 8th house and mars, i think of someone angry they didn't get what they wanted... or someone who is going to do everything they can to get what they want... i know this is pretty simplistic on my part, but that would be part of my thinking..

my concern is for a lot of protesting and rioting in the usa during this time frame.. i am not sure how trump responds to it..

i would look at the timing of the moon and other planets into the mars position.. the nov 14-15 dates are right at the mars station.. and we have the mercury station right on the election date - nov 3rd.... combine all this with your other observations here and it doesn't look like an easy time for trump or by extension the country...

thanks
james

Biden looks a weak candidate, really.

I wonder why the Democrats fielded a frail
old man, when they had countless other
younger, capable ones.


One Indian astrologer predicted that even if
he wins, Biden won't get past the second year.

I think the ideal age for an incoming President
should be 35 to 45, to assure of good health
throughout his possibe two terms.


Trump and Hillary Clinton are already old enough.

It reminds of John McCain being asked to
challenge Obama over a decade ago.

Had McCain won then, the stress of the job
would likely have made him go even faster
in office, than the following two years in 2018
after leaving office, if say he had been reelected for a second term.

Hi Part of Fortune:

Because the question is if Trump will win then the 10th house ruler represents Trump. Mercury is in on the cusp of 12th house, representing the end of the matter. Fourth house ruler Jupiter would represent Biden. IMO.

Another thought, could the fact Mercury goes retrograde before Jupiter reaches MH show Trump returning to office?

part of fortune What about neptune being conjunct the 4th house cusp? Is that a factor? amy

zoidsoft wrote:
The most common thing said about Algol is decapitation or "losing ones head". Do we just pick and choose what we want to see that supports our version of "astrology" now?

Somehow all conservative and simply normal Americans going for Trump.
Algol also associated with criminal mobs and socialist's revolution's methods to let criminals out to the streets to intimidate society.
Doesn't "defund police" slogan associates with "losing ones head"?

Somehow all conservative and simply normal Americans going for Trump.
Algol also associated with criminal mobs and socialist's revolution's methods to let criminals out to the streets to intimidate society.
Doesn't "defund police" slogan associates with "losing ones head"?

I am not sure what you mean by "going for Trump." Do you mean the astrologers' predictions or the American voters? The polls now favor Biden but we will see. I have a feeling that it may appear one way initially and after mail in ballots are received there will be a different outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump appears to win initially or vice versa and I think that is going to cause a lot of discord and possibly violence when the final outcome is different than what voters think is going to happen on Nov 3. We are dealing with not only Mercury rx disposited by Mars, but Mars rx in Aries right now and Mercury turns direct soon after Nov 3 and goes back into Scorpio. As I said in my horary reading, it seems like Biden will seem a winner at first and will lose but I could be reading that backwards. So far it does fit though since everyone thinks he is winning the debates and the polls favor him.

A lot of the acts that Trump has been accused of fit well for Algol on the MC, which is what several of us have been talking about.

Tanit3333 wrote:

Somehow all conservative and simply normal Americans going for Trump.
Algol also associated with criminal mobs and socialist's revolution's methods to let criminals out to the streets to intimidate society.
Doesn't "defund police" slogan associates with "losing ones head"?

I am not sure what you mean by "going for Trump." Do you mean the astrologers' predictions or the American voters? The polls now favor Biden but we will see. I have a feeling that it may appear one way initially and after mail in ballots are received there will be a different outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump appears to win initially or vice versa and I think that is going to cause a lot of discord and possibly violence when the final outcome is different than what voters think is going to happen on Nov 3. We are dealing with not only Mercury rx disposited by Mars, but Mars rx in Aries right now and Mercury turns direct soon after Nov 3 and goes back into Scorpio. As I said in my horary reading, it seems like Biden will seem a winner at first and will lose but I could be reading that backwards. So far it does fit though since everyone thinks he is winning the debates and the polls favor him.

A lot of the acts that Trump has been accused of fit well for Algol on the MC, which is what several of us have been talking about.

You probably know that Trump is typical NY liberal and former democrat, and had funded a lot of money to Clinton's campaign, etc.
Ne became republican to protect USA future, being witness of how democrats corrupted this country for decades.
He isn't typical tough republican like senior Bush, his behavior still being very liberal and corrupter media take advantage of that.
His slight eccentric behavior they bluntly associate with madness, and keep lying. lying, lying...
So, yes, he wants to "drain the swamp", US government and local democratic authorities at present corrupted condition - the MC on Algol quite represent that swamp.

Yuriy wrote:

zoidsoft wrote:
The most common thing said about Algol is decapitation or "losing ones head". Do we just pick and choose what we want to see that supports our version of "astrology" now?

Somehow all conservative and simply normal Americans going for Trump.
Algol also associated with criminal mobs and socialist's revolution's methods to let criminals out to the streets to intimidate society.
Doesn't "defund police" slogan associates with "losing ones head"?

Yes. I refer you to my previous statement:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... ht=#115553

zoidsoft wrote:

Yuriy wrote:

zoidsoft wrote:
The most common thing said about Algol is decapitation or "losing ones head". Do we just pick and choose what we want to see that supports our version of "astrology" now?

Somehow all conservative and simply normal Americans going for Trump.
Algol also associated with criminal mobs and socialist's revolution's methods to let criminals out to the streets to intimidate society.
Doesn't "defund police" slogan associates with "losing ones head"?

Yes. I refer you to my previous statement:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... ht=#115553

Thank you , I'm surprised that with Cuomo and de Blasio there people don't have illusions.
I think in many cases the sign Biden-Harris just for protection, never in US history people was so scary to express openly their political preferences.
I hope the retro Mercury now means literally moving backward to re-elect...

Hi Kali and Amy,


Thanks for your replies. I am open to various methods. I’m interested in learning and I’m reevaluating my two posts (and charts).

kali wrote:Hi Part of Fortune:

Because the question is if Trump will win then the 10th house ruler represents Trump. Mercury is in on the cusp of 12th house, representing the end of the matter. Fourth house ruler Jupiter would represent Biden. IMO.

Another thought, could the fact Mercury goes retrograde before Jupiter reaches MH show Trump returning to office?

Kali, you are referring to my second post (and chart) which is “X asks is Trump going to win???? In my first post I asked, “Will Trump be re-elected???? I used Trump (MC) vs. Biden (H4) as the means to obtain the result (see under “2nd method??? in the first post). I also used another method there, which is Trump (H7) vs. Biden (H1) (see 1st method in the first post).

The reason I didn’t use MC vs. H4 in my second post (the one you are referring to) is because the querent is “a partisan voter???.

I am a nonpartisan voter, therefore in the first post I used MC (Trump) vs H4 (Biden) -- I’m in the same category as those who say “I don’t care who is elected!??? and “Oh, yes . . . Trump, he’s the current president ~ Yawn! ~ ??? (here, I’m just exaggerating the situation to give examples).

As for “X asks is Trump going to win????: the fact is that the querent, X, is a partisan voter and never says “I don’t care who is elected??? because X clearly doesn’t want Biden/Harris to be elected. The querent is quite aware that Trump currently belongs to MC (the most elevated place in the chart). But this doesn’t bring comfort to X because polls show he is not so elevated.

To me, this is a competition for the future POTUS. Therefore, both candidates should be on neutral ground and it’s up to the querent (X in this case) to see whom h/she favors and place the candidates accordingly**.

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**(I had mentioned the method is similar to sports astrology, but I realized in sports, 1st house belongs to betting (or critic’s) favorite which is different than a personal favorite).
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Kali, I’m now using your method of Trump MC/10th (Mercury) and Biden 4th(Jupiter) for my second chart, “X asks is Trump going to win???? Let’s see what I will learn from this:

Trump’s Mercury retrograde (repeat) grabs my attention. Retro Mercury (Trump) conjunct radix 12th house means that he is moving away from Walter Reed Hospital. Mercury retro could be Trump’s recovery and going back to his office (not necessarily meaning he will be going back to the office in 2021). I think Trump going back to the office in 2021 is indicated by the Moon Void of Course which means nothing changes, things stay as they are, the status quo is maintained.

amymaddalozzo wrote:part of fortune What about neptune being conjunct the 4th house cusp? Is that a factor? amy

Amy, I’m using IC (H4) as Biden’s ascendant. Though I try to rely on seven planets when I’m reading horary (I’m not a traditionalist), occasionally I include Transsaturnians. Here, Neptune is at an angle hard to ignore (thanks for bring it up!).

To be straightforward, Biden’s bid for presidency doesn’t look good in this chart. Poor information and illusion come to mind as issues. For instance, are the polls as reliable as we are likely to believe? Neptune is not just opposing MC, but also opposing Venus who rules 11th house of hopes and wishes. Also, there’s Chiron placed in H4 (Biden) opposing PoF in 10th house of the presidency (PoF is ruled by Venus).

Aside from hopes and wishes, 11th house also represents “parliament.??? Since Venus is a female sign it could be representing Pelosi in this situation. If so, it’s interesting, because Venus disposes to Mercury (that is, Venus (Pelosi) is at the mercy of Trump). Anyway, whoever Venus is, she is approaching MC and Neptune (illusion). I wonder what will happen . . . Amy, what are your thoughts about Neptune?

Thanks, PoF