BiBi wrote:

I really believe the zodiac has more to do with some kind of global consciousness.

Indeed it does! The zodiac, planets, and stars certainly permeates through our individual consciousness and sometimes the mundane astrologer glimpses this permeation of consciousness on a collective group level.

Steve

I remember Jim also saying on the solunar forums as well that the aspects to lunar nodes act like aspect to the moon, eg mars sq the lunar nodes would be like mars sq a weaker version of the moon, and that applies to other planetary nodes as well...they have just not been studied and proven in the astrological realm to function on que like the lunar nodes.

I hope I can post two charts where the nodes and natal Venus were highlighted...Natal Venus, giving lots of love, but sadly, not getting it back as reflected by transiting Venus.
These two charts are a solar and a Demi-Solar borth for the same year, but reflect to a T-what was going on in my romantic life. In both return charts the Nodes and the Moon are highlighted, In the main 2005 Solar Chart the moon is rising on the Asc and cnj natal Venus, my emotions were fixed on persuing love, but without transiting Venus foreground it was not very promising. The nodes were also square my natal moon...... signifies a spiritual like or connection with others.....I did feel all of this for my ex boyfriend and the time, we were having a lot of problems, and I was holding on to the point of being delusional, until he came back in 2006

The Demi-Solar Return is an even more depressing and descreptive map of what went on, the nodes are on the meridian minutes away from natal Venus, Natal Venus is only 1-2 minutes away from the meridian....activating my heart, making me want to persue a relationship with the man I loved, but, transiting Venus was not strong, Natal Moon was a few minutes away from the DSC(Even More Descriptive) & there was a transiting square been the Moon and Saturn promising dissapointment. My bf and I actually cut off contact for a very long time after this Demi started. Do you look at the Demi steve?

Hi BiBi,

Your 2005 Solar Return is an excellent example when tight/partile planets conjunct a SR angle with a tight/partile conjunction or opposition to a natal planet. As you pointed out, your Solar Moon is Conjunct Natal Venus both conjuncting the SR Ascendant. This is a very potent influence and as Jim teaches from his book ?Interpreting Solar Returns,? this Moon Venus symbolism will be the main ?theme? for the solar year. When we see a Natal Planet Conjoin a Solar Planet near or on a Solar Angle Jim states on page 47:

?Natal Planets signify the ingrained basic life pattern of an individual. As they come to the foreground (angles) in a Solar Return, these intrinsic factors (in your 2005 Solar Return-Natal Venus) are emphasized. Natal Planets conjunct Solunar angles essentially show how an individual is reacting personally to the foreground (angular) transiting planets which dominate the Solunar.?

As we can see the exact moment of your 2005 Solar Return transiting Moon was tightly conjunct your Natal Venus at 4Li54, falling on your SR Ascendant. Because your Natal Venus is conjunct the angular SR Moon we know from Jim?s brilliant teachings you are going to ?REACT? to this angular Solar Moon with Venus symbolism?Love/Romance. But the MOST IMPORTANT KEY to your 2005 Solar Return is the tight angular SR Moon is partile 135 Solar Mars. As I have repeated many times in this thread, when we find angular placements of Solar Planets and they receive DYNAMIC partile aspects from other planets?then we are alerted to an ?outstanding incident? according to the partile planetary aspect. Jim states on page 96 of ?Interpreting Solar Returns?:

?It is when angularity and aspect partility coincide that outstanding incidents are most likely to come about.?

What is the nature of this foretold Solar Return ?outstanding incident?? The nature of this ?outstanding incident? is of a Martian nature. I don?t know the exact details but I don?t need to know them. Mars is the lesser malefic and its malefic actions manifest with disputes, fights, arguments-anger. Natal Venus dead-on the SR Ascendant tells us, as Jim teaches, there is going to be a love/romance ?theme.? The ONLY partile planetary ?dynamic? aspect SR angular Moon receives is from SR Mars?so the astrologer well versed in Jim teachings sees a high probability of a Martian fight that breaks ups the romance?Mars puts a dagger in the native?s heart. Mars patiles 135 the SR ascendant and also, not by coincidence, dynamically partiles 45 the MC. Malefic Mars with its symbolism afflicts this Solar Return.

BiBi asks:
Do you look at the Demi steve?

A Demi is another solar return chart cast when the transiting Sun precisely 180?s your Natal Sun. And yes, I do look at Demi?s?but I only pay attention when I see tight angular activity preferably receiving partile aspects and/or with the Demi Moon having partile aspects. Your Demi from your 2005 Solar Return fits both of my criteria?s with partile square of Demi Moon to Demi Saturn and the Demi lunar north node partile conjunct Demi?s MC partile 120 Demi Saturn. Remember in an earlier post I said the only time I pay attention to soft aspects is the 120 with angular activity. This partile 120 of Demi Saturn to the Demi?s lunar node dead-on the Demi?s MC is symbolizing an ?outstanding incident? with a SEPERATION from an ?associate? and the partile square of Demi Moon to Demi Saturn is symbolizing the depression that follows during the Demi?s time period.

Thanks BiBi for posting another fine example of the acute angular/partile planetary symbolism-- we at times in our lives find with Solar Returns. As Jim states on page 139:

?Once precession is expelled from our calculation processes, Solar Returns & Lunar Returns begin to speak in a language that is clear, lucid, expressive, delivering a message which is accurate, if not prophetic.?

Steve

Have we covered the Auxilary angles and sensitive points yet?

BiBi asked:
Have we covered the Auxiliary angles and sensitive points yet?

Jim addresses the Auxiliary angles and sensitive points on pages 18 & 19 from his book ?Interpreting Solar Returns.?

It has been my experience these auxiliary angles and sensitive points, at times, can produce important aspected configurations foretelling ?outstanding incidents? in the native life. However, with my experience you will see much less planetary configurations pertaining to ?outstanding incidents? involving auxiliary angles and sensitive points, than the primary angles of the meridian & horizon. Also, I allow, as Jim teaches, much smaller orbs to the auxiliary angles and sensitive points than I would for the primary angles of the meridian & horizon. For example: I allow an orb of 7.5 degrees to the primary angles with planets but only an orb of 2-3 degrees with the auxiliary angles and sensitive points.

Jim?s Auxiliary angles are:

East Point & West Point (directly opposite each other in the chart). Jim says:

?Extremely significant positions, they mark the intersections of three important great circles: the horizon, the celestial equator and the prime vertical.?

Zenith & Nadir (opposite each other in the chart). Both of their longitudes mark the meridian?s circle?s intersection with the prime vertical. Jim says about these four points of the auxiliary angles:

?I allow a 2-3 orb for these angles. The East Point and West Point are substantially more powerful than the Zenith and Nadir.?

The four sensitive points are the Vertex and Antivertex-South Point and North Point (opposite each other in the chart)?orb allowance 2-3 for the Vertex axis and 1-2 degrees for the North/South points. Jim says about the Vertex axis:

?Planets conjunct, opposite, or square the Vertex are highly accented, but any actual manifestations seem to be unconsciously motivated.?

I have included a Solar Return chart in this post with striking Vertex sponsored symbolism where an individual was a sweepstakes winner of 120,000 K. Note Solar Jupiter is partile conjunct Solar Vertex partile squaring Solar Venus. As we can see Solar Jupiter and Solar Venus, the two benefits of our planetary system were certainly ?highly accented? by partile aspects with the Solar Vertex. And again we can see Jim?s teaching axiom when we see angular planets set up with partile aspects we see manifestations of ?outstanding incidents.?

The references and birth data, along with more details about this Solar Return example, can be reviewed on page 1 of this thread under the topic ?an outstanding incident.?

Steve

Thanks for the example Steve!
The visual illustrations help a lot with the learning process, I think the only short fall Jim's book had is the illustrations were not clear enough, and there were not enough. Jim should have worked on a companion book that had more illustrations and charts. I know that Solar Fire did not exist and computers were scarce back then, but it would been have been a lot easier. It took me a while to get a grasp on the concept of Western Sidereal just based on the text!
One thing that I would like to ask your opinion about too was the orbs on progressed angles and auxillary angles, I stick to probably 1-2 degrees for the primary and probably 1/2 a degree for the auxillary, is that too strict?

BiBi wrote:

It took me a while to get a grasp on the concept of Western Sidereal just based on the text!

I totally understand what you mean BiBi?It was very difficult for me to grasp the concepts with just the text. But when the Personal Computer was invented along with astrological software, it allowed me to view/study a-lot of charts in a short period of time and this visual allowed me to prove to myself the many truths pertaining to the techniques of Sidereal Astrology with Jim?s book. It allowed me to realize an accurate timed solar return contains a rich source of sacred geometry (astronomy) with lucid planetary symbolism.

BiBi wrote:

The visual illustrations help a lot with the learning process, I think the only short fall Jim's book had is the illustrations were not clear enough, and there were not enough.

BiBi, this is a very keen observation by you-- with much truth. In the era of the Fathers of Western Sidereal Astrology, along with Jim?s book, most beginning astrologers were without the aid of the personal computer?they could not begin to see and understand the technical mathematical/astronomical truths associated with Sidereal Astrology. They were without the aid of viewing many charts in a short period of time. It truly takes visual illustrations of Sidereal Astrology to allow true understanding. But the true understanding and learning occurs when one works with their own solar returns, and see the manifestations in their personal life associated with solar return planetary symbolism. ?Astrology must be lived to be learned.?

I agree with your orbs allowance with auxillary angles.

Steve

On Aug. 16th 2010, Michael Douglas Movie Actor and Producer of Movies was diagnosed with stage 4 throat cancer. He has an AA rated birth time (birth certificate in hand). Birth data: 9/25/1944, 10:30 AM EWT, New Brunswick, New Jersey, 40N29:10, 074W27:02-Ascendant 15SC14.

Note the tight conjunction of Sun-Neptune in his Natal Chart tightly squaring his Natal Moon. Then note transiting Saturn around Aug. 16th 2010 was maturing partile conjunctions to his Natal Sun-Neptune and partile squaring his Natal Moon. Both his Natal Lights are under partile siege with transiting Saturn. Reinhold Ebertin writes in his book ?The Combination of Stellar Influences? pertaining to Sun/Neptune = Saturn:

?Inhibitions through illness or physical debility??

In late Feb. & Mar. 2010, Michael Douglas learned his Son was going to be sentenced to Federal Prison for illegal drug trafficking. Note transiting Saturn during this time frame was also ?dynamically? partile aspecting his Natal Sun-Neptune-Moon. April 20th 2010 his Son was sentenced to 5 years imprisonment.

Michael Douglas was diagnosed with cancer by doctors in New York City which is a location of one of his Home Residences. When we compute his current 2009 Precessed Solar Return for New York City (40N42:51, 074W00:23), we compute an Ascendant of 8LEO47; but, astonishingly we compute a Solar Moon of 3CAP57?virtually the same zodiac position as his Natal Moon at 3CAP36. This is certainly no chance zodiacally TIMING coincidence for an accurate TIMED Solar Return, particularly in light of Jim?s teachings from ?Interpreting Solar Returns? where he states on page 68:

In general, Sun-Moon aspects in a Solar Return represents crisis, i.e., significant turning points??

As we can see, Michael Douglas Natal Moon and current 2009 Solar Moon (two of the 4 Moons associated with life events) was receiving partile squared ?dynamic? aspects from 2010 transiting Saturn- at the exact times of his 2010 crisis. If we don?t allow for a correction for Precession, his 2009 Solar Moon will not compute to the same position as his Natal Moon.

It is also very important to note with Michael Douglas 2009 Precessed Solar Return- located to New York City, his Solar Moon receives a partile 45 from Solar Jupiter. This is a ?silver lining? with his 2009 Solar Return and he was told by his doctors the cancer from the tumor has not spread to other parts of his body and there is a 80% + probability radiation treatment will contain the cancer. Solar Jupiter in partile ?dynamic? 45 aspect to Solar Moon offers much good ?hope? with his cancer crisis. Again, if the astrologer does not allow for Precession, this partile 45 degree ?dynamic? aspect of Solar Moon with Solar Jupiter would not exist with Michael Douglas 2009 Solar Return. There is so much astrological knowledge contained in Jim Eshelman?s book, ?Interpreting Solar Returns,? the mind has difficulty analyzing this astrological knowledge as a whole. Jim?s book exemplifies a quote from Francis Bacon:

?Some books are to be tasted, others are to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested.?

Steve

Sat/Mo symbolism has to be the worst, and is one of those planetary pairs that manifest itself in anything in life. Ebertin was great, but once you've actually lived through a lot of this stuff you know how some of these planetary pairs are like invasive weeds really touching every part of your life, and then there are some planetary pairs that seem to be isolated to some areas of life. Like Ve/Ne this planetary pairing has shown up only romance for myself, where others like Ve/Sa, Ve/Ma, Ve/Ju have been more general including friends, romance, and family.

Birth Data
Female, 1/30/1957 Alice Texas 4:42 pm
Asc
22 31 cancer Venus being the most angular just minutes away from the DSC
Solar Return Period for 1979-1980
My mother was engaged to a Vietnam War Vet from Columbus Ohio who suffered from a really bad case of PTSD, he came from an amazing family but was really heavy into drugs to deal with his anxiety, and PTSD. During the Summer of 1979 they were suppose to be married but he committed suicide by overdosing on heroin.
Even though my mother lived in the deep South, she flew to Ohio and stayed there for several months when he died.
This chart is a really good example of why it is imparative to relocate a chart from birth place to current location, and probably why Western Sidereal Astrologers use the angles much more strongly as opposed to placing emphasis and assigning so much meaning to every single house. Notice how the Neptune/Venus Cnj is not near the angles when located to Agua Dulce Texas, but when relocated to Columbus Ohio, this becomes a triple planetary pair, the Venus/Neptune comes close to the MC, with Neptune being partile the MC
Saturn is partile the DSC
Side note, the moon is obviously square Venus in both charts, but becomes even stronger when aspecting a newly relocated angular planet(venus) the aspect becomes more able to express itself.

An excellent example BiBi that reflects the importance of always relocating return charts to where one will be spending (TIME) important activity or to where one will be residing verses the birth location. To quote excellent defining words from Jim Eshelman book, ?Interpreting Solar Returns,? on page 29 under the title ?Locality? he states:

?Solar Returns consistently appear to score their best on accuracy tests when computed for the longitude and latitude that the individual occupies from minute to minute. If a man were born in New Orleans, permanently moved to Portland, Oregon, and was there for his birthday when the Solar Return set up, but fell deeply in love while in New York on vacation, it would be the Solar Return calculated for Manhattan which would sport a prominent Venus, rather than either of the other two locations.?

When your Mother relocated herself from Texas to Columbus, Ohio for ?important activity,? we can clearly see with our eyes how the symbolism of Venus-Neptune-Saturn moved tightly to the angles. Cyril Fagan taught ?the seat of one?s consciousness? (awareness), the ?I,? the ?Me,? and the ?Mine,? which is always acutely aware of physical and/or conscious pleasure and pain is centered at the intersection of the planes of the meridian and horizon planes which is actually the center of the Earth where we are geocentric residing. Psychologist?s who study astrology call this ?center? the ?psychological center of gravity.? This is the sole reason why astrologers who studies the main principles of Jim?s book are able to consistently witness ?outstanding incidents? when planets occupy the angles of return charts and receive tight or partile aspects from other planets. This is why transits to the angles or directions of the angles to the malefics or benefics are accompanied by the awareness of either suffering or pleasure, depending on the nature of the planets. The more remote from the angles, the less conscious awareness of the nature of the planets. When analyzing return charts, always start with the angles, these ?represent the most powerful, active, dynamic areas of the return map.? This is consistent with the heritage of astrological knowledge left to us by the ancients.

Steve