This evening (5 November) I received a robo call from President Trump telling me how important this election was and that the Democrats were in the process of "stealing the election." The problem is that Trump's devoted followers will believe every word he says and perhaps be honored that the President called their household.

It may well be that Biden will be able to obtain the required 270 electoral votes, but that is no guarantee that he will be inaugurated. There will be demands for recounts and attempts to discredit valid ballots in battleground states and cities. No doubt this election is providing entertainment for countries around the globe. And astrologers and psychics everywhere will continue to wait for the final outcome of this entertaining but critical USA presidential election.

Therese Hamilton wrote:The problem is that Trump's devoted followers will believe every word he says and perhaps be honored that the President called their household.

I think you might be suffering a bit from social media echo chamber. I'm an voluntaryist and don't want any ruler being a parasite in my life, so just know I'm not a Trump or Biden supporter. It sucks that I have to say this because the polarization has warped people's perceptions.

But I've seen literally dozens of videos by election observers (both dem and rep) who are alleging voter fraud. It's going very high up. Even senators like Ron Paul are questioning the results.

https://youtu.be/DjQAFJqqZI4

The answer isn't "winner take all". The answer is get the government out of peoples private business. They have no business going around dictating masks in your bedroom, etc...

I think we are headed into civil war by autumn 2022. I use my own chart to read this (ZR fortune in Sag with superior Mars square) indicating time of violence. In the past when this happened, I was in bloody combat with local gangs. It also just so happens to coincide with the USA Pluto return.

Tham wrote:Some astrologers, including the
Indian astrologer Acharya Kumar
and the Four Pillars astrologer
Laurent Langlais, had predicted
lots of fraud by Biden's camp.

Nearly 45,000 votes for Trump
thrown away in Phoenix.


https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/statu ... 6906587136

Joe Biden has his Venus aspecting both his Moon and Moon's Nodes. I have a hypothesis, which could have exceptions that I don't know about, that these sort of Venus aspects denote what for want of a better word we call psychopaths. I just get an instinctive reaction to him of creepiness.

Biden's Venus is 28 degrees Scorpio 33 minutes, his Moon's Mean North Node is 29 degrees Leo 42 minutes, his Moon is 0 degrees Taurus 59 minutes (antiscion 29 degrees Leo 01 minute), his Sun is 27 degrees Scorpio 33 minutes and his Chiron is 28 degrees Leo 52 minutes. None of these aspect his chart angles, which might possibly redeem them (celebrities often have this kind of Venus aspect which also aspects one or both chart angles which also aspect the Moons Nodes).

I have noticed in the charts of a lot of left wing, Labour party, top personalities that they too have these psychopathic Venus aspects which also aspect Chiron.

It is a mystery why the powers that be want Biden as President, but his qualities do seem to reflect the unapologetic lack of transparency in the way the elections are carried out. Voting should be managed in a way that is seen to be completely accurate of the wishes of every individual voter. And it is a given that in a first world democracy a person's vote should be absolutely private, and not made public. I am not totally convinced that Donald Trump is wrong.

For what its worth, I can't find these psychopathic Venus aspects in Donald Trump's chart. And he did stop a war happening. I am not American and don't follow American politics that closely.

I'm wandering what it means Mercury approaching sextile with Trump's natal Mars at AC...

And yes, Biden has extremely secret, un-transparent crowded 12th house with
strong Mars but at the cusp of house of its shame...

Hi folks,

This thread has now got to 16 pages and over 21,000 views.

Its getting rather long and unwieldy. Also I see people are coming in with their personal political theories. I have therefore pruned some of the posting that is little more than political opinion pieces. I don't want to lock this thread permanently as long as people stick with the astrology but if you guys keep drifting widely off the topic any further into deepest conspiracy theory material I will.

Thanks

Mark Cullen
Moderator

Joe Biden is declared President elect with 273 electoral college votes.

Time: 11:24 EST AM

Astrological sources: Source: Anna-Cristal de Lyon and Liz Hathway

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bi ... xqE8tw0lM4

Chart is taken from FB. Its for two minutes later 11.26AM



Note Uranus on the IC. Mars Rx ruler of MC and exaltation ruler of ASC

I am glad to be wrong but part of me can't help but feel unsettled with this considering how much Trump wants to fight the ruling with the supreme court. Is this really over?

Tanit wrote:

I am glad to be wrong but part of me can't help but feel unsettled with this considering how much Trump wants to fight the ruling with the supreme court. Is this really over?

I feel exactly the same Tanit. I am no supporter of Trump but I must confess those ingress charts looked like him winning a legal battle to me. But I would prefer if my astrological assessment was simply proved wrong in this instance. Lets see what happens when Mars goes direct.

Ultimately, its not up to APP, CNN or the BBC to decide the next President. Bizarrely, its not even up to the American voters. Its up to the Electoral College which meets to vote on December 14th. As I mentioned in my prediction that coincides with the solar eclipse chart. I assume Trump's strategy will be to muddy the water so much the Electoral College cant make a clear vote. Perhaps with the help of the Supreme Court. Otherwise Biden seems a slam dunk to be next President.

If Trump was to be successful in a legal challenge to either suspend, overrule or in some way make the EC unable to form enough electors ( and I accept its a very big IF!) then matters might need to go to a vote in Congress on January 6th. This kind of vote is not like a normal vote in the House where each US state gets votes dependent on its population. Each state sends a delegation and gets just one vote to decide President and VP. As there are more red states than blue states this would probably favour Trump. Although he could suffer from 'faithless' electors who go against their state's wishes. So following this rather convoluted and unlikely scenario I am giving you here you could hypothetically end up with Congress voting for Donald Trump as President and Kamala Harris as VP! Or maybe Joe Biden and Mike Pence. Wouldn't that be a Frankenstein monstor of an administration?

I accept all this looks exceptionally unlikely at present but if Trump somehow gets the Supreme Court on his side its not completely impossible. So far though his team's claims of fraud have been thrown out as baseless by state based courts.

Its far more plausible though that the Electoral College finally stops Trump in his tracks when they vote on December 14th. That eclipse chart seems to hit Trump's and Harris's chart very strongly.

Mark

I wanted to look closely at Biden's chart, and see exactly where IsisTranspluto is, its antiscion is opposition his Venus within one degree.

Astro data bank gives the time of 8.30 am as "from memory", with A rating (not AA). He could be born slightly later, with the MC 21 degrees Virgo? Or a bit earlier, with the MC around 16.5 degrees Virgo? His presidential win seems to have to do with the transit of IsisTranspluto, currently around 3 degrees Virgo, squaring his Ascendant.

Edit: his natal Phaethon is 17.5 degrees Aquarius, antiscion 12.5 degrees Scorpio, so aspecting his Mars. I was puzzling over Mark's question about Biden's family tragedies and wondered if there was anything natal with his fifth house Moon at one degree Taurus, which is conjunct the antiscia of his Chiron and his Moon's Nodes. Possibly an Ascendant of 0 degrees Sagittarius 24 minutes and Midheaven of 16 degrees Virgo 06 minutes, from birth time 8.16am, would give Solar Arcs to his natal Moon and its antiscion, at the age of 30 in 1972 and in 2015. Also at the age of 45 in 1987 his Solar Arc IC would be conjunct his fifth house Moon. This birth time would have his Moon's Nodes aspecting his Midheaven, which would indicate fame.

Edit: The ruler of his fifth house is Mars, which is conjunct the antiscion of Phaethon, and aspects Saturn, Jupiter and Neptune. The chart of Gerry McCann, the father of kidnapped Madeleine McCann, also had a strikingly aspected natal Mars which was being activated when Madeleine went missing.

Fleur wrote

I wanted to look closely at Biden's chart, and see exactly where IsisTranspluto is, its antiscion is opposition his Venus within one degree.

Ok. Personally, I cant fathom your excessive focus on this hypothetical planet. But each to their own I guess.

Anyway, I have opened a new thread to look specifically at the controversy over Joe Biden's birth time.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11102

Mark