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Away from desktop Janus---will check when I get back home--will let you know. thanks

linchi, in Janus with pointer on Trump's MC (Harmonic 256) 90 degree dial, I show Zeus/Kronos = MC 00, 00, 31 AND Zeus/Kronos = AS 00,00, 09.

Do you confirm?

SteveS wrote:linchi, in Janus with pointer on Trump's MC (Harmonic 256) 90 degree dial, I show Zeus/Kronos = MC 00, 00, 31 AND Zeus/Kronos = AS 00,00, 09.

Do you confirm?

Hi,Steve.

I can't confirm it. I'll give you the dates and show you how I do it, so you can compare.

Donald Trump Natal Chart
14 Jun 1946 10:54:00
+04:00:00 Jamaica, New York USA 73w48'22 40n41'29 Geocentric Fagan-Bradley Mean Node




First we set the pointer to Zeus/Kronos midpoint and read the value :

Pointer ------> Zeus/Kronos = 0° 4' 15''

And then we look for the opposition and square positions because they are connected,they belong together.

Pointer ------> Moon/Pluto = 0° 4' 22''
Pointer ------> Venus/Node = 1° 8' 05''

Because Venus/Node is square position, we have to subtract the values (0° 42' 11'' and/or 0° 21' 05''), from the big value or add to smaller value,it makes no difference.

Pointer ------> Zeus/Kronos = 0° 4' 15''
Pointer ------> Moon/Pluto = 0° 4' 22''
Pointer ------> Venus/Node = 1° 8' 05'' - ( 0° 42' 11'' + 0° 21' 05'') = 0° 4' 49''
Pointer ------> Sun/Moon = 0° 25 20'' - 0° 21' 05'' = 0° 4' 15''

As you can see below, AS and MC are out of orb.

Pointer ------> Zeus/Kronos = 0° 4' 15''
Pointer ------> AS = 0° 49' 14'' - 0° 42' 11'' = 0° 7' 03''
Pointer ------> MC= 0° 50' 30'' - 0° 42' 11'' = 0° 8' 19''

Thanks linchi, it is going to take me a while to familiarize my mind with Janus so that I can see/recognize what you see as important in Uranian astrology. I will go make and make notes from your past posts and try to bring myself to a recognition level with Janus so we will be able to be on the same page with our communications.

In the meantime, I just calculated with Janus Trump's H256 aspects in his Natal and here is what I see allowing a max orb of 30 seconds.

Mars 0,16,21
Jupiter 0,16,47
Nep 0,16,24

Pluto 0,43,43
Kronos 0,43,18

Is this correct? Thanks

SteveS wrote: In the meantime, I just calculated with Janus Trump's H256 aspects in his Natal and here is what I see allowing a max orb of 30 seconds.

Mars 0,16,21
Jupiter 0,16,47
Nep 0,16,24

Pluto 0,43,43
Kronos 0,43,18

Is this correct? Thanks

Steve, when you open up in Janus single Wheel with H256, with the data I wrote earlier, you'll see on the right side of Dial :

--Show Pointer
--Show Pointer Dial
--Show MP Tree

Please check all three boxes.
And further down the Janus there is a "Lock Pointer", please check this box too.
And then with these pointer you can read what values the planets have.
Can you tell me where you read the values you wrote.


I have these values. And Janus must have these values.

Pointer ------> Mars = 0° 26' 40''
Pointer ------> Jupiter = 0° 29' 44''
Pointer ------> Nep = 0° 8' 08''
Pointer ------> Pluto = 0° 35 09''
Pointer ------> Kronos = 0° 13' 23''

I should also add,
On the right side of "Show Pointer " is the value.

Linchi asked:

Can you tell me where you read the values you wrote.

Can’t remember, I obviously misread the values I gave earlier.
Linchi wrote:

I have these values. And Janus must have these values.

Pointer ------> Mars = 0° 26' 40''
Pointer ------> Jupiter = 0° 29' 44''
Pointer ------> Nep = 0° 8' 08''
Pointer ------> Pluto = 0° 35 09''
Pointer ------> Kronos = 0° 13' 23''

Linchi, I found an option in Janus which shows a large table with Harmonic Positions of all the planets including Sun/Moon and Local A and M from H1 through H256 with 256 being the last Harmonic value in the table. And, H256 positions match perfectly your above values—so I have made a little progress.

I'm really glad it worked out, Steve.

Linchi wrote from another topic:

When working with the dial and planetary pictures the biggest problem is software, because the software do not show so clearly, so you can see all the planetary pictures. You have to search and that is intensive work.

I clearly understand where you are coming from linchi pertaining to my own work with the systems of astrology I use.
Linchi wrote from this thread:

Transit JU/KR = Transit ZE/KR = r SU/JU = SU/PL

Linchi, since I am a beginner with the Hamburg School of Astrology, I am curious how you put together and saw the above planetary picture. Did you see this planetary picture quickly with the 90 degree dial, or did you have to search with other functions with your program?

SteveS wrote: Linchi, since I am a beginner with the Hamburg School of Astrology, I am curious how you put together and saw the above planetary picture. Did you see this planetary picture quickly with the 90 degree dial, or did you have to search with other functions with your program?

It is a very important question, what kind of software uranian astrology needs.
I wrote in my paper "Deception" on pages 26, 27 and 28 what kind of software we need.

https://ia803205.us.archive.org/26/item ... eption.pdf

In Zet, there is only one arrow and two small red dots that show square positions.If we had two more red dots showing the half-square points, it would be even more practical, but I haven't been able to reach Zet developers for two years. And Janus doesn't want to show these red dots on their software because an astrologer asked Janus if they could do it.

I orientate myself by these red dots and the arrow. You need some experience to see right away. For example, if you look at the picture below, you will see that the arrow r SO/JU = r SU/PL shows what we have set transit JU/KR. If you concentrate on the arrow, you will see that r SU and r KR have the same distance from the arrow, one from the beginning of the arrow and another from the end of the arrow.
And red dot at the bottom is between r MC and r MA

That is : Harmonic 16
Transit JU/KR = Transit ZE/KR = r SU/JU = r SU/PL = r SU/KR = r MC/MA

linchi wrote from his Astrological Research section in his "Deception" topic:

e) The software must show all the planetary pictures as a list.

linchi, does your version of Zet show planetary pictures as a list? BTW, I am a registered user of Nova Chartwheels (NC) but have never used the program. Do you use Nova Chartwheels for you 90 dial or Zet? If you think there is any functions in NC I need to enhance my learning curve with Hamburg School of Astrology---let me know. Thanks.

Zet does not show planetary pictures as a list. I mostly use Zet. I only use Nova when I am looking for specific planetary pictures in the many radix. The only thing about the Nova that other software does not have is that the harmonic points are marked with small black dots. I don't think that Nova could be any help when learning Hamburg School of Astrology. Janus would be better for learning.