Natally, I have Mars conjunct the South Node in my whole sign 4th house. I also have Venus, Jupiter and the IC in the whole sign 3rd house, and Saturn in a superior trine to my Sun.

I’m really lethargic.

In the morning, I walk outside for at least half an hour, then I come home, eat breakfast, and hit the hay as soon as possible.

My body likes to itch for no reason, so when that happens and I’m walking outside, I either rush to get home, or try to ignore the itching.

I help with house chores, otherwise I’m not in the mood to do much. I truly want to break all the windows and mirrors in my home - or jump through one - or beat, shoot, and stab people to death.

But I don’t. So I wear a perpetual death glare.

I enjoy listening to music whilst walking around the house restlessly. It invigorates me a lot. Playing video games also helps release my stress. No one’s been seriously hurt, though I do swear under my breath whenever I make a mistake.

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I don’t know anything about the history of the nodes, or karma, but as far as I am concerned, the North and South Nodes indicate increase and decrease respectively, whether for good or bad.

It’s like when the Sun passes 0 Aries, rising north of the Celestial Equator, increasing in prominence and power. Or when the Sun passes 0 Libra, falling south of the Celestial Equator, descending into darkness.

Anyways, I hope my comment helps.

Edit (22/1/25): Thank you for referencing Lily’s commentary on the nodes, James. I have never truly grasped the nodes, but Lily’s work will be a great read.

Mr Gallows wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:58 pm I don’t know anything about the history of the nodes, or karma, but as far as I am concerned, the North and South Nodes indicate increase and decrease respectively, whether for good or bad.

It’s like when the Sun passes 0 Aries, rising north of the Celestial Equator, increasing in prominence and power. Or when the Sun passes 0 Libra, falling south of the Celestial Equator, descending into darkness..

Interesting thought. There's definitely an analogy between celestial equator and apparent Solar orbit (ecliptic), as well as between Solar and Lunar orbit.

0° tropical Aries is the point where the Sun crosses the celestial equator, switching from southern to northern declination. North Node or Rahu is where the Moon crosses the ecliptic line, switching from southern to northern latitude - which the Sun can't do because it's always at zero latitude. And just like you had to choose your flavour of the zodiac (Tropical vs. Sidereal), with the Nodes you also have the problem of choosing between True vs. Mean Node.

Interestingly, I heard there are modern astrologers who even use the so-called "Draconic zodiac" which defines the North Node or Rahu as 0° Aries... But yes just food for thought, as I don't want to derail the thread.

First post ever on this forum. Simply because there are so many peoples here, far more knowledgable then i am. Bit if you dont mind, i would also like to add some thoughts.
First: what IS the tradition. Manilius, who seems to ignore the planets, maybe because they weren't 'kosmos' (perfect) enough? Firmicus can be radically different from Rhetorius, if we may believe the translations and sources. Even within translators, sometimes 'the tradition' becomes blurred. Take Spearbearers in the thesis of miss Denningmann. Was there any conscensus at all on spearbearers in ' the tratition'?
Second: i tend to think about the nodes as more difficult to interpret then the a=b significations. The nodes might be mostly relevant because of the eclipses. Though statistically, there is a trend that solar eclipses are more common in the northnode area and vice versa full moon eclipses in the southnode, its no law. So might it be dependend on the (last, previous) eclipse how to interpret?
Last: though statistics has its own limitations and flaws, i wondet what pattern shows up when i put historical data (charts) with enough statistical power into Statistica and doing research on that. The main drawback for me was that the current astrology software i am aware of, i super statistics unfriendly (think formats) and i am unable to get the output data in a format my statistical program undetstands. I hope that problem to be solved in february this year when Nechepso software from John Streaker will going beta. I am part of the peoples going to test and am involved in development of the statistical module. Also it will have AI on board to help with academic level design and gone are the lousy statistic unfriendly pletora of output formats from the current software. I think it would be interesting if we can compare Dorotheus (whats left of it) with Valens, say on 'the winds'. And also we can do research on the Moons nodes (or any planetary node), influence of speed of the Moon, eclipsrs, whatever. Exiting times to come imho. We are the tradition for those who follow us

Densilverkulen wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 4:02 am [...] First: what IS the tradition. [...]

That is an apposite question and would perhaps deserve its own thread. But there doesn't have to be complete consensus among practitioners for something to constitute a tradition: 'traditional' doesn't equal 'monolithic'. This will probably be obvious if we think about other (e.g. religious or cultural) traditions. For instance, Christians have disagreed fiercely enough on many points to persecute, torture and kill each other in large numbers throughout history, yet few people would deny that there is such a thing as a tradition of Christianity. Also, many or most historians of Christianity would agree that there are modern outliers that deviate so radically from the mainstream of that tradition that it is doubtful whether they can, in any meaningful sense, be called Christian at all. (In the case of astrology, some outlier schools/proponents have sought to distance themselves from the tradition by rejecting the designation 'astrology', so it's not always a case of conservatives shunning the innovators.)

To use your example, earlier astrological authors may have held different opinions on the definition, meaning and usefulness of doryphories ('spear-bearers'); but before the 1990s, you would have been hard pressed to find a practising astrologer who had even heard the word, let alone knew what it meant. (It's there in the Tetrabiblos, but how many really read Ptolemy?) Even to disagree, you need a common intellectual ground and a shared language. Without that, what you get is not disagreement but incomprehension.

We are the tradition for those who follow us

Only if by 'following' we mean actually receiving that which is handed down (the literal meaning of tradition), as opposed to simply coming later in time.

Martin Gansten wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 2:46 pm Christians have disagreed fiercely enough on many points to persecute, torture and kill each other in large numbers throughout history

metaphorically speaking, astrologers seem equally capable!! my question - is it really worth it?

An interesting example of the South node on Ascendant is Queen Elizabeth 2. She has Jupiter conjunct Mars in the first house square Saturn on the MC. Mars is partile the nodal degrees The Jupiter square Saturn is part of the great conjunction cycle. Indeed she was coronated on the opposition of Jupiter/Saturn. Mars by his partile of nodal angles carries this energy & on her death, Mars was semi-sextile the great conjunction degree before her coronation at 9 degrees of Taurus.
Transiting Pluto over her Asc/South node angles at the time of death.. the south node in Capricorn she needed to follow a long line of tradition & lose her identity to keep the values of tradition,

Natal Jupiter/Saturn midpoint trines the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in the 18 Feb 1941 chart,

Densilverkulen

welcome to skyscript! you raise a very important question... it would be interesting to make a new thread on this question as i am sure there are as many different thoughts on this as their are astrologers...

james_m wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 4:45 pm Densilverkulen

welcome to skyscript! you raise a very important question... it would be interesting to make a new thread on this question as i am sure there are as many different thoughts on this as their are astrologers...

I have started a new topic on 'What is the tradition?' to carry on this discussion started by Densilverkulen.