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This is a first for me ? I?ve always had some sort of biographical information when working with charts. Take that away and things get pretty frightening. But I?m feeling brav(ish).

From the beginning Saturn got my attention:

1. Almuten of ASC with rulership by exaltation, triplicity and face.
2. Has the most essential dignity of the planets
3. Is placed in the strong 9th house, trine the 1st house Moon ? which it receives by exaltation, triplicity and face.
4. Is in Hayz
5. Is oriental of the Sun ? recently left the Sun?s beams, so is in a powerful part of the cycle
6. Is the next planet aspected by the Moon (after the Moon?s separation from square the Sun).
7. Is Lord of the Part of Fortune
8. The guy was even born on a Saturday!

This dignified, diurnal, oriental Saturn looks constructive and productive ? not a cause of misfortune. Regarding the Ascendant, Venus by comparison seems like a minor player.

That was the easy part, now I suppose I should be brave and do something with it.

For starters, the angular 1st house Moon (ruler of 10th) in waxing square to the 10th house Sun is powerful and active. This is a person who needs to be out shining in the world and whom the world acknowledges with some sort of fame, honors, recognition or notoriety (Moon, MC ruler, in 1st). To me this angular Sun/Moon waxing square in the two strongest houses of a chart is the dynamic basis of this chart ? anything tied to it is very important.

The Moon has recently separated from the Sun and next applies to that strong and important Saturn. The Sun/Moon tension wants to produce, and the tension moves into the 9th house by way of Saturn.

The 9th house: Higher education, religion, philosophy, publishing, travel. With Gemini ? and Mercury as the 9th ruler and dispositor of Saturn - along with the Libra ASC and Moon, I go more toward thought, writing and social concerns (Air signs). Science is another possibility. Archeology is one of Saturn?s interests ? interesting when you consider that the Saturn-ruled Part of Fortune is conjunct the Saturn-ruled IC: buried things. Cancer on the MC is interested in history. Mercury ? ruler of the 9th and Saturn ? is in Cancer and conjunct the MC: The 9th house of education, philosophy and religion is brought into action in the 10th.

Do we have here a published historian, archeologist, or religious figure with broad public appeal through the media? If he hasn?t actually published, the media could possibly serve as a substitute for publishing. I can see him as someone who gets around the world and writes and/or speaks about the cultures of the world.

But I will cheat: I also see the possibility of someone who popularizes science.

Following up on Astrojin's post, I looked at the primary directions involving Venus (ASC and 8th ruler) and the Sun (Hyleg) and the MC (a major angle). Here is what Solar Fire produced as primaries (1 deg RA = 1 year):

Venus Pm conj Sun May 89 (Venus rules 8th and ASC; Sun = Hyleg)

Venus cPm ASC Sep 91 (ruler of 8th conjoins ASC)

Moon Pm conj Venus Sep 92 (Moon in 1st and alchocoden; Venus ruler of 8th; directions involving Moon often reflect health issues)

Venus Pm conj MC Nov 93 (8th ruler culminates at MC)

These dates are quite consistent with Astrojin's findings regarding the Hyleg and suggest significant, possibly life-threatening health issues during this period.

I would love to learn more from Brady. One of these days. I get the theory but I have't quite gotten the practice. I tried to do my parans, and then she sent me a list of my parans and while I got several of them right, I completely missed others. and got a few completely wrong. so I know i'm not quite understanding something.

But I love reading her stuff, she is so right on so often!
Granny

Hello,

To MarkF:-

I understand what you said about the paran star method. Are you directing the stars to the planets, or the planets to the stars. And do you only count squares, like where one is on the horizon while the other is on the mid-heaven? In other words, you exclude a square where one is in the 11th house and the other is in the 8th house? And I assume that since this is all visual, that you'd exclude squares where one is on the IC and another is on the horizon, yes?

The term directing may not be right in this context. What we do is we turn the natal chart according to the diurnal motion (whole day) and see whether there are planets that make paran relationship with the fixed of stars (of your choice of course!).

When we are born, there might not be any stars that are on the Asc or Mc or Dsc or IC. Similarly, there might not be any planets on the Asc or Mc or Dsc or IC. But during the course of the day (as you turn the chart according to its diurnal motion), when a planet rises and at the same time a star rises OR culminates OR sets OR anticulminates ? we say that they are in paran. Similarly, when a planet culminates and at the same time a star rises OR culminates OR sets OR anticulminates ? we say that they are in paran. Yet again, when a planet sets and at the same time a star rises OR culminates OR sets OR anticulminates ? we say that they are in paran. Yet again, when a planet anticulminates and at the same time a star rises OR culminates OR sets OR anticulminates ? we say that they are in paran. It is preferable not to use the term squares. And yes, looking at the above explanation of parans, we exclude any other ?squares??
The IC is different. Though you cannot see the star anticulminate, anticulmination point is easily recognized by taking the exact opposite of the culmination point.

Since we are looking at whole day of birth, time of birth is not required in the calculations of parans. The parans are sensitive to latitude, so the paran stars are the same for certain band of latitude depending on the orb you choose. This of course changes slightly every year due to the precession of the equinox. To make sure that our readings are personal:-

1) We must use tight orb, 0 deg and 30 min of radian which translates to about 2 min of time. This means if we have a planet rising at certain time, the star must be on the Asc or Mc or Dsc or IC within 2 minutes of time (not more).

2) Remember that the planetary configuration changes though the paran stars do not (baring precession of the equinox) e.g. if in your latitude a star rises with MC in 10 deg Gemini, it will rise with MC in 10 deg Gemini every year (which changes slowly ? about a degree every 72 years). This year you might have one planet on 10 Gemini (which then makes them in paran) but in another year it might be another planet that is on MC.

3)The stars do not have meanings on their own (at least not so when predicting using natal chart). We have to look into the planet that is in paran with the star and blend the meanings of the planet and the star together. If the natal planet is cadent and not really effective, you might not see the manifestation of the paran. Yes, in the end we have to tie the meanings of the stars back to the natal chart (the concept you have been screaming through your posts!).

4) The meanings of the stars are more prevalent if the planet involve in paran with the stars is ruler of the Asc or MC.

5) The timing is taken from the paran star itself. If the paran star is rising, the effects of the star are from early life till the end. If the paran star is culminating, the effects of the star are from mid life till the end. If the paran star is setting, the effects of the star are from late life till the end. If the paran star is rising, the effects of the star are from near end of life till after (referred to Ulugh Begh method).

6) If a star happens to be exactly on one of your angles at birth (in this case time of birth is required), the meanings of the star become part of you your whole life. Orb for this one is 4 minutes of time (1 deg radian).

An example:-

In J.F. Kennedy's chart Mars is in paran with Algol (yes that Ras Al-Ghul "Head of the demon", which represents decapitation among others), Mars culminates as Algol culminates during the day he was born. Now, everyone born on the same day would have this signature. However, in his chart Mars is almost conjunct his eighth house cusp (death) and on this account alone would make Mars determined to the eighth (as Morinus would have put it), Mars is also exalted ruler of 4th H (endings), Mars is detriment, all of which make Mars as the important planet surrounding his demise. His death is martial due to fire, gunshot, ...(don't have to elaborate on that!), and Mars is also ruler of 7th (wife or open enemies or associates), Mars conj Mercury (during travel?)... With Mars in paran to Algol makes it even more empasized (decapitation or something to do with head!). The star Algol culminates which means this would happen during his prime time...

I just read the interview with Bernadette Brady and took an instant liking to her. This is a great coindidence to see her method in an example the next day. I might have to take a trip to the Amazon soon to look for here there.

She is a fantastic teacher!

One small point, why is it called the paran method? What's the origin of that?

If I am not mistaken, paran simply means destination.

Hello,

I made some analysis about his appearance:

It appears in general a harmonious body
Medium height. Straight hair, brown hair (but it is possible to have some light brown tendencies). Probably a melancholic expression, thick lips and nose, pale face. a rare or thin beard. Probably blemish in, or near the eye. Eyes smalls and light brown, looking downward and a little louring. Serious stomach or intestines problems.

I think that it would be interesting to analyse if the chart is of a female or male person. so I suggest to give only the date and location.

Good thinking Tom I like this game! So long as you tell us at the end how right/wrong we were!

South Node on the 5th cusp makes me think this person didn't have any children of his own - either he was infertile or just never did have children.

I'm going for writing as the main occupation - Moon in 1st is supposed to give writers, and Mercury on Alhena on MC gives the theme of a man carrying out his mission with words. But what kind of writing? Something Cancerian - self-help books? Cookery books? Or travel books (Mercury ruling 9th)? Was he published around age 24? (Solar Arc directed Mercury conjuncts natal Jupiter).

That Jupiter/Mars square catches my eye. I'd say he had a very reckless streak, a pigheaded and thoughtless obstinate streak that got him into trouble. Especially when a transiting planet set off this square - e.g. November 1961-February 1962, when Jupiter entered Aquarius, followed by Saturn in Jan and Mars in Feb. He'd be 18 - perhaps he did something reckless in this time?

In Dec 1969 - Jan 1970 Saturn was stationed at 2 Taurus. In January Jupiter was just entering Scorpio, setting up a nasty-looking opposition/square to his Mars/Jupiter. He'd be 27 - this looks to be a very testing time for him - especially as Saturn was stationed very close to his Mars. Perhaps this explains why he never married or had children!

Got to stop there as have other things to do! But will keep popping back to check on this thread!

Keren

I think that it would be interesting to analyse if the chart is of a female or male person. so I suggest to give only the date and location.

I've never heard of a method by which gender can be determined from a chart.

I'm wondering if it might be a good time to give hints - not so much hints to identify the native, but to keep members on track. But if you would rather if I kept quiet until the end, I'll do that too. For example. I can reveal the children thing. It won't be a give away since lots of people have none, one, few and many children. Appearance I'd have to keep to myself.

There are so many good observations here, I won't be able to comment on all of them, and doing it a little at a time might keep interest going.

Let me know.

Tom

Aww don't give away any hints. Let's keep us in suspense a while longer.

Its only two days til friday and after I wrote my piece I did some research, I do think I know who it is, but am willing to wait until Friday for the answer. Shoudl we maybe email or PM you our guess? If its who I think it is, I think I did okay.

Granny