Hi,

After these striking examples, I was digging in my books to find the source of the statement that a ?one-sided? position of the planets ? i.e. all traditional planets one side of the nodal axis - means two distinct life phases, with a dramatic, fated turn in life ? for better or worse.

I found it in a book on Indian Astrology, by Komilla Sutton (Indische Astrologie ? Grundlagen der vedischen Horoskopdeutung; ISBN 3-87186-102-2, Ebertin Verlag 2001, translated from ?The Essentials of Vedic Astrology?, 1999 The Wessex Astrologer).
It?s called a KAL-SARPA-YOGA. (Good observation, Sigma)
With Indian Astrology strongly influenced by, if not derived from, Greek Astrology, it would be interesting to know if the origin is Greek-Babylonian or Indian.

I wonder now if and how this shows in Mystery Chart 15.

Looking forward to Mystery Chart 15 revealed

Ren?

P.S. Kirk, of course you are right but aren?t there many ?group aspects? that are interpreted individually without hesitation? Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions etc.?

Opinions differ among Vedic astrologers about Kala Sarpa yoga (all planets between the nodes). At worst it's something with which Indian astrologers frighten their more uneducated clients: "ooh, you have Kala Sarpa yoga, your whole life is going to be a disaster *unless* you pay for me for these remedies..." A renowed Indian astrologer K.N. Rao thinks that this configuration has no meaning, that it's just supertition. Rao says that there is no basis for Kala Sarpa yoga in the classic texts. The whole story can be found in Vaughan Paul Manley's site http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 012507.htm

We don't have to look very far to find an example of a man whose second half of his life was worse than the first half, and with all planets on one side of the lunar nodes:

Excellent point, but since If I were on the jury, based what I know (which may not be everything a juror would know), I don't think he did it. Whether he did it or not, his life sure went in the dumper after his wife's murder. But if he didn't do it, his life doesn't fit what I was thinking of. I was thinking of a person who started life as, say an altruist and then along the way decided to become a bank robber or other outlaw. Sheppard became alcoholic and definitely went down the tubes, but it isn't quite what I meant, but the astrological symbolism we were discussing sure fits.

Tom

Kirk, of course you are right but aren?t there many ?group aspects? that are interpreted individually without hesitation? Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions etc.?

You made me pause and think ? but I didn?t have to pause for long.

Jupiter-Saturn aspects are more flexible for delineation in that we can require a tight orb to determine individual importance or make the conjunction relevant to an individual by angular house placement. We could require importance of Jupiter or Saturn in the chart, such as through rulership of the Ascendant, or status as Lord of the Geniture.

I don?t see much we can do to personalize the planet/nodes configuration, unless we also require that all the planets be in the same hemisphere, such as above or below the earth. It might be interesting to find some examples.

Hi Kirk,

I don?t see much we can do to personalize the planet/nodes configuration, unless we also require that all the planets be in the same hemisphere, such as above or below the earth. It might be interesting to find some examples.

Agreed, after a long pause. The configuration should be stronger when it?s in the same hemisphere. Examples left: Paul McCartney (upper hemisphere), G.W.Bush (eastern), ?

Even though it?s not very personal, I will keep an eye on this ?group aspect?. The (few) examples are just too incisive for me to ignore.

Ren?

Ren?,

With the hemisphere factor I can now see it as being a rather important configuration, and definitely much less common.

I?m curious if the Vedic tradition says anything about one planet placed apart from the group ? a singleton in 20th Century astrology. Personal reasons ? my chart has all planets (including the 3 outers) except Mars between the South and North Node and above the earth. Mars gets the bottom half and from North Node to South Node all to himself. But this thread is about Mystery Man and not me. (Could I possibly convince you that I'm the more interesting of the two? )

It?s spooky, and downright scary. I just found out who the Mystery Man is. It happens that I almost mentioned him by name in my last post.

I was right. I am the more interesting of the two.

Very interesting, profound post, Steven. And very instructive for me.

You wrote

Since Mercury is closest to the cusp of the Ascendant, I think his livelihood is strongly Mercurial in nature because Mercury rejoices in the Ascendant sign ? had Mercury been joined to Venus while applying I might have been inclined to say this native is involved in the arts in some way. It is not so I deem that his livelihood is gained by speech, writing, and philosophy, the science of numbers, or astronomy or astrology even.

I have different data here. Mercury is slower than Venus, getting slower and conjoining Venus about 10 days after birth. If that counts as applying (like Solar Fire does), would it change your interpretation?

While checking that with a graphic ephemeris, I saw the cluster of favourable progressed aspects around the age of 30, +/- 1 and 1/2 years.

Jupiter (p) sextile Sun ?
Mercury (p) conjunct the ASC ?
Venus (p) sextile Sun ?
Sun (p) conjunct the ASC ?

And
Mercury (p) conjunct Sun (p)
Venus (p) conjunct Jupiter (p)

This should have been a good period of time for the native, especially since it is supported by the Primary Direction (direct, in mundo, Ptolemy key) of Jupiter to the ASC.

Ren?

I did not read Steven post as that is starting to become like cheating...

Choleric, Fleumatic

Researcher, possibly a doctor. Mars, ruler of AC also rules the 6th house, diseases played a part in his life, trining Saturn, posited in MC, and the Moon, that was one of the reasons that he became famous for. Mars posited in his 2nd house shows that it was his source of income.

A noble, religious man of deep beliefs, Jupiter rules his 9th by Exaltation, where both Saturn and Moon are posited, and being in Sagitarius in 1st shows his character. Sun in Libra disposits both Saturn and Moon, in 11th shows someone with traits of arrogance (Sun on Fall) but extremely capable of service and donating himself for friends and in this case, his own profession, due to aspects on MC. North Node in 9th shows that he was famous because of his knowledge and ideals, South Node in 3rd shows that he suffered resistence on the act of communicating ideas and understandings particular to him, he suffered resistance from his neighbours and was opressed in some way by them.

It is interesting to observe that as soon as Mars hits the MC and Saturn, it will also aspect Fortuna in Virgo in the 11th. At the same lenght of time, Mercury and Venus will be reaching the AC. Now, this delineation of mine may not encounter any parallel in tradition except my practice, but Mercury in Scorpio are person's of high ideals, and Venus tends to give pleasure for service in a damaging way to the person. A doctor or a religious man of service in my opinion.

Anyway, after writing this I read the answers and got a little bit far from the true answer, but I want to make note of the Nodes and their positions, it usually shows a positive/negative pole in the life of the person and is interesting to be brought more in delineation.