Gem wrote:Quite impressive looking at the sigs in real time

Thanks Gem, but it was done after the event. Also, the first indicator was a denied penalty and not a goal, and two of the others were off by 2-3 minutes... After some thought though I agree that this is quite spectacular!

Gem wrote:Saturn has some affinity with the S Node and it doesn't seem to get detrimental effects from being conjunct it.

Agreed. Moreover, looking at anything conjunct the SN doesn't align with John's maxim of concentrating only on 'ephemeral' testimonies, anyway.

Liverpool have to win their Champions League match tonight. They are odds-on faves so should be OK, but I'm just slightly worried by Saturn (L7) conj IC.

Liverpool v Besiktas
7.45pm, 6 Nov
Liverpool, England
Asc 12,29 Cancer

Anyone have any thoughts?

I'm just slightly worried by Saturn (L7) conj IC.

Yes, I don't like the fact that the aspect is rather close... They were odds-on faves last time too, weren't they?

Are there any positive testimonies? I've observed this only lately but Mars right on the AC seems to be a positive factor although it may not be a strong one; its aspectt with the Moon is relatively close.

I don't see anything else though.

The ManU/Dynamo match tomorrow has a similar chart. Becasue ManU are the likely winners, I think Liverpool should be all right too

I have been invited to join this forum, so I am going to junp right in the deep end
I think the difference in strength between Liverpool and Besiktas is so big there would have to be very strong testimony for Liverpool to loose.
They may have a hard time winning, though. Possibly a draw at the worst. I am doing loads of charts of games that are being played at the same time tonight, and if the odds were closer I would be slightly worried. But tonight there are games played with much stronger testimonies for the underdogs and I don't think all the favorites will loose tonight!
Liverpool will be fine I think.

Welcome to the forum, Laurie

It's half time and Liverpool look well in control with a 2-0 lead. I looked at a couple of the other games earlier on. Chelsea should be OK with Moon trine PoF. Celtic also, with same aspect, although Saturn conj IC and antiscion Mercury conj MC for Benfica might make things difficult. The Olympiakos and Porto matches looked a little more complicated. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Ficina,

Didn't have time to look at this earlier. However, I have no idea how the match has progressed so far. Let's see how the significators fare in real time:

L1: Moon, L10: Jupiter
L7: Saturn, L4: Mercury

8:17 L4 to 4th/10th (U)
8:30 L10 to 5th (F)
8:35 L10 SQ MC (U) - likely during half time
8:48 L10 OP PoF (U)
8:53 L4 SQ MC (F)
9:20 L7 to 2nd/8th (F)

So 3 testimonies for Liverpool, 2 for Besiktas. If the odds favour Liverpool overwhelmingly, there should be no cause for worry.

Just out of curiosity, I went to Soccerstand and checked the final score for this match: 8-0 for Liverpool! Goals were at 19, 32, 53, 56, 69, 79, 81 and 89 minutes. They were only supposed to score at 45, 53 and 80. In the 32nd minute, L4 into the radical 4th/underdog's 10th had Liverpool score. Nothing happened in the 48th.

Fantastic 8 goals!!
We didn't need to worry at all
Incredible that they were beaten in the first round.

I did all 8 charts yeterday. That is what I always do with multiple games at more or less the same time.
I pick the chart that has the tightest testimony. for betting.

Yesterday I made a big mistake. The Lazio Roma- Werder Bremen game showed clear and tight testimony of the underdog winning.
Lazio was the favourite, but the odds were very close. I think with hindsight that Lazio were only favourites because of home advantage.
So this is a chart that can go both ways, because there really is no discernable difference in strength. I expected Werder to win, as it was the underdog, but Lazio did.

BTW I only use John's method, as I have been doing for years now (AA), and the book makes it all much clearer. I will continue to do so, untill I know the book by heart, before I will look at other methods.

testimony for the underdog:
Moon in 4 (weak, too far from the cups and in a diferent sign;
Ruler of the 1st in 4 (I used Moon's ruler, to keep the Moon for the flow), closer to the cusp, but still a bit far.
Deciding was: Antiscion Lord7 tightly on C10.
But who was really favourite and who was the underdog?
I will leave charts like this well alone in future. It was an expensive lesson

The only game I could actually watch on TV was Olympiakos-Real Madrid, as Dutch TV for some reason decided that would be the most interesting. It wasn't. It was a draw, 0-0. I expected Real to win with difficulty, or a draw.

I expected Liverpool to win and so they did. Much easier than I expected, but who cares
L7 on c4 was slightly worrying, but if they started a litle late that would not have been a problem at all. Does anybody know what time the match actually started?

FC Porto did as I expected. They won by default option. No testimonies at all.

AC Milan also did as was expected. They won as well and there was strong testimony for them to do so.

Celtic the same.

Chelsea dito.

It is the Valencia-Rosenborg game that has me mystified.
I expected Valencia to win by default option, especially as the odds were enormously in their favour. I could have made a fortune, but alas....
Rosenborg won, 0-2. And there was absolutely no testimony for it. At least not that I could see. Lord 7 was 3 degrees before c4, so unless the game started about 10 minutes early....
There is aboslutely nothing else! Unless we resort to quincunxes and use the MC: Lord 7 opposite MC (3 degrees away) and Moon quincunx MC, but I am not willing to consider those just yet. I will keep it in mind though for another time. This is one of those mystifying charts that I keep in a separate drawer to look at some times and hope for a revelation or divine insight

I will post my predictions for tonight separately.

Interesting analyses, Laurie. Sorry you lost on the Lazio game

I've had a quick look at tonight's charts before I go out. The Moon conj Mercury is interesting because in five cases it favours the underdogs. There's also Moon opp antiscion Saturn. I give the Asc to the home team btw.

Look forward to seeing others' views. Wonder if we'll see another 8 goals anywhere

I am equally puzzled with Valencia's game, in fact there were some testimonies for the favorites to win: Pluto antiscion near 7th cusp + L1 Venus applying sextile to POF antiscion (although JF says conjunction only) + Uranus Rx applying to MC.

Porto and Milan's victory was justified, so is the draw for RM. I did not see anything on Liverpool winning and I expected Chelsea to win

Moon Via Combusta for tonight's game, I don't think JF mentioned anything about this in the book. Do you think it will have any effects?

Tonight, I think:
Roma
Slavia Prague (not to lose)
Rangers (not to lose)

Looking forward to seeing more predictions from you guys!

I expected Liverpool to be all right. They were the favourites and there was no real testimony against them, so the default option applied. I did not expect them to win so convincingly, though!

When there are so many games at the same time, there are usually many that have the same testimony, like Ficina said about tonight's games, where the Moon conjuncts Mercury and Mercury is a significator for the underdogs in many games (Lord 4). Normally one doesn't see the underdogs win in all these games. The difference being the difference in strength, I always thought. Now I am not so sure anymore, after Rosenborg
So some of these games the underdogs win, some end in a draw and some the favorites are expected to win, especially when hey are much stronger than the underdogs. I will consider Rosenborg an exception and continue with balancing the strengths.

First let us consider the games that have Mercury as one of the significators. There are 5.
Then there are the games that have Saturn as one of the significators, as the Antiscion of Saturn is at 23.00 Aries, and the Moon apllies to opposite it. There are 7. In fact, all but Sporting- AS Roma.

Sporting-AS Roma have Mercury as Lord1, so atrong testimony for the favorites to win, as Moon conjoins Mercury. In this case also the Antiscion of Fortuna is in 1, so even stronger. Question is: who is the favorite? The odds are very close; 2.75 to 2.45 The same as the Lazio-Werder Bremen game...... But the difference is that AS Roma is not favourite because of home advantage, as they are playing in Portugal, so I might just be lucky and the favorites (AS Roma) do win.

There are 5 games that have strong testimony for the favorites, as they have both the conjunction of the Moon to Mercury, Lord 4, as the opposition of the Moon to antiscion Lord7.
These are:
Slavia Prag - Arsenal
Inter Milan -CSFK Moscow
Manchester U- Dynamo Kiev
Barcelona-Glasgow Rangers
Olympiques-Stuttgart

Of these the strongest testimony is for the ManchesterU-Dynamo Kiev game. The difference in odds is tremendous; 1.15 - 17.00. Roughly 15 to 1, but the testimonies for Dynamo are strong. Not just the Moon/L4 conjunction, and the Moon opp.AntiscionL7, but also L7 closest to c4.
However Antiscion Moon is applying to conjunct the MC, and the antiscion of Fortuna trines the MC. So unless I am very much mistaken, the favorites will win, but not without a struggle. Probably Dynamo will score 2 times, or something like that. Maybe even a draw...

There is another game where the difference in strength is tremendous:
Barcelona-Glasgow Rangers. About 11-1. Apart from the 2 testimonies for the underdog, we have here Uranus R applying to c10. I think we can safely say that Barcelona will win, as Uranus slightly favours the favourites.

Slavia Prag-Arsenal. Roughly 4 : 1. Strong evidence for the underdog; not just the two shared testimonies, but also L1 just inside c4. (I use Dispositor of the Moon for L1). I think Slavia Prag will win or maybe a draw.... (the difference in odds considering).

Olympique L.-Stuttgart:
2 shared testiomonies for the underdogs,
Antiscion Fortuna just before c1, conjunct Mars which is closely apllying to asc. ...
John considers house placement first and Moon's aspects later. based on this I would think Olympiques will have a hard time winning, but they will win (or a draw, maybe).

Fenerbahce-PSV is the game I am most interested in, as PSV is the only Dutch team still left in the CL. But in this game only on of the testimonies for the underdog is present (PSV is the underdog, roughtly 1:2).
There is also testimony for the favourites, Moon trine Antiscion Fortuna.
Hopefully a draw, but I feel Moon trine AFortuna may be stronger than Moon opposite A7. I will go for a draw, though, for sentimental reasons.

Last game: Steaua Bucaresti - Sevilla;
Same testimonies as the Fenerbahce-PSV game, so also a draw or fav. to win.

That's all for now. I cannot always spend so much time on my hobbies
Work to do!