What I mean is that is Arsenal are playing home we say they are shown by the Asc.; or if they are playing away and the 7th is stronger than the 1st then we say they are shown by the 7th; or if Arsenal are playing away and the 1st is stronger than the 7th then we say that Arsenal are represented by the 1st because they are the favourites?

I suppose giving the strong side to faves makes a logical sense but then we won't be able to predict underdogs' win, which do happen sometimes.
I agree with Ficina on sticking to one method. So if Arsenal are playing away, I give them the DC even though the lord of the AC looks stronger.

I can't see Birmingham winning either

If you put it like that, I can now see my pound dissappearing into the cyborspace!

I can now see my pound dissappearing into the cyborspace!

Don't worry, Gem, they might still do it! If it makes you feel any better, I've done a small hedging bet for Birmingham as well as the draw

Just out of interest, are you betting online? I still haven't tried that method.

It appears that online betting gives slightly better odds, meaning that your return is improved if you get i right.

Birmingham is Virgo. I'm all excited. It would be a good win if they made it. I have played 4 matches this weekend. At the end it is fair to take a look at the overall results and see if astrology proved useful.

Chelsa - West Ham (bet home odds 1,3:1) result 1-0 win
AstonVilla-Arsenal (bet draw odds 3,25:1) result 1-2 loss
Liverpool-Bolton (bet home odds 1,3:1) result 4-0 win
Spurs-B'ham (bet away odds 7,25:1) result 2-3 win

Started the weekend with ?50
Close ?134

Wow, that's a brilliant profit, Andrew, well done And congrats to both you and Gem for having the confidence to back the underdogs, who scored their winning goal in injury time! Thank goodness I did my hedging bet, so I came out just in profit

Put a bet on Lyon beating Strasbourg 19.55
Asc 3LE40 - Sun 10SG15 with Jupiter. Moon in own triplicity applying square Jupiter through signs of long ascension. Nice Asc!!
Odds 1,35:1

Lyon are 2 up already!

Full time: Wow! They won 5-0!
Piece of cake!

Andrew's been doing extremely well

are you betting online?

Yes. You can see a list of companies who are offering free bets at www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/school_an_account.php.
My acocunt balance this morning was down to less than ?3 so I could only stake ?1 each to Liverpool and Birmingham. The balance has now recovered a bit but I don't feel great about Spurs losing...they were very unfortunate...

ManchesterU-Fulham, Premier League, Dec 3., 20.00 GMT (edited time)
Asc 5LE15 - Sun 11SG16 trine MC at 10AR54
Home win gives odds 1,2:1. That's a fair bet if you don't go in to heavily, considering risk/reward. All small amounts add up.

AC Milan-Celtic, Champions League, Dec 4., 19.45 GMT
Asc 2LE32 - Sun 12SG17. MC 20AR14. Notice that R7, Saturn, is unfortunated with SN and square Part of Spirit (nocturnal) at 9GE02. Moon 18LI46 on the IC and in the degree of the Sun's fall I think shows the end for the Scots.
Home win gives odds 2,6:1

RE: Spurs match.

Does anyone know or have an estimate for the birth time of Juande Ramos?

There was a few transits around the time he took the Spurs job, and obviously, yesterday would have been considered a bad day at work.
While Spurs and Birmingham are close together in the table...or were
Spurs rightly so were the hot favourites. They were at home, against a team that has just been promoted.

Not only a loss at home this weekend, but an 'almost' loss at home (again) against a weaker european opponent.

One transit at the time of taking the job, was Venus sextile Venus, with Jupiter semi-sextile Venus seperating by 2 degrees.
That, for me, would point to Sagittarius rising, Taurus on the 6th.

Which makes the Venus square Jupiter aspect (exact yesterday) look a little bit telling. Obviously the previous match would have been applying to square by a few degrees.

I could be wrong.

Gem, thanks for the online betting link. It all looks rather complicated, although I can see the advantages including, as Andrew said, better odds. I'll look into it when I have more time.

I don't feel great about Spurs losing...they were very unfortunate

Yes, and maybe Birmingham were lucky. Perhaps the Blues should wear red more often

Andrew, I have Asc of 6,24 Leo for Milan game, with PoF (or PoS) at 12,54 Gemini. This is an opportunity to test out JF's techniques. Sun (L1) opp PoF and Moon opp antiscion Saturn (L7) are two testimonies for the underdog, Celtic. I shall keep my fingers crossed for them.

Are my starting times for the ManU and Milan matches wrong?
The bookie said 19.45 for the ManU match, but somewhere else I find 20.00 Does Milan start at 20.00hrs aswell? Asc 5LE34 that gives me.

ManU ko time 8pm GMT. The Asc and MC you quoted above are correct for 8pm. Milan ko time 8.45pm local time, 7.45pm GMT.