I know we have here members with knowledge in Arabic language (if I am not in error zohra must have some knowledge in Arabic).

Please bring some light in this shadow corner of the forum, and help us.
If we succeed to find out what was the original sense of the Arabic terminology it would be a great thing for the development of the art in our astrological community.

Steven

Hi

2007? or 2008?

CD

Hello Steven,

for me it appears that the outcome was destroyed by the opposition between Saturn and Mercury. even though it is interesting and probably some good effects camed from the trine between Jupiter and Sun to which Moon applies

An aspect does not destroy a conjunction, but a conjunction does destroy an aspect. An aspect does not cut off an aspect, but it does prohibit the matter. But a conjunction does in fact cut off an aspect.

Steven I looked again to the latin text to the 17 consideration where the Latin translator tells that: coniunctio que fit per aspectum non annullat coniunctionem que fit per corpo in uno signo (the aspect doesn?t cancel conjunction) ... but according to his translation coniunctio annulat eam que fit per aspectum (the conjunction cancel an aspect)


I looked at the Arabic text of 17 consideration:

?????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????
??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?????
??? ?? ????? ???? ????
??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? : ?? ??????? ?? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ???? ??????? ? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?????


But exacly where the translator uses the same word (annullat) the Arabic text use different words:

So the Arabic text uses ???? which is right translated in latin with cancel ( so the translation : aspect doesn?t cancel conjunction is correct)
But when it speakes about the effect of conjuntion over aspect the Arabic text uses
???? which would be idleness, inaction, which to my knowledge isn?t the same with canceling

Hello Steven,

First I must admit I have never read Sahl! I'm Latin-deficient and am awaiting Benjamin Dykes's translation which is scheduled for this year.

While Saturn is the ruler of the Midheaven, by whole signs Pisces is the 10th house and thus Jupiter rules the job. The Moon is applying to Jupiter while she is in Jupiter's triplicity and face and he is in his domicile and triplicity in Sagittarius. So I'd say that you got the job, either that night or in 6 days or weeks from the question. Also, Jupiter being so dignified, it would have been a job that bestows great quality of honor

Of course this totally contradicts Sahl. I wonder if it is simply that Sahl is just wrong or that there are mitigating factors in this chart, e.g. the retrogradation of Saturn or the high dignity and strength of Jupiter. I would agree that the doctrine of reception is not as tightly bound as perhaps Sahl have it be.

Hi Steven,

Interesting question. I would venture that, since the Moon is translating the dignified 7th house Jupiter to Saturn by trine: Jupiter (a competitor) gets the job.

Try as I might, I just could not see it Sahl?s way (probably too set in my simple ways).

My Best Wishes towards your continued health improvements!

Christina

GR

wait a second.. are we looking at the same chart?

10th house - Aquarius
11th house aquarius

gotta love arctic circle charts!

Pisces is only in 12th house

wait a second

lets get all keyplayers out

you are

Mercury - 28 aq retro
moon 11 leo
saturn - 20 leo

let's try Ivy's way

she says if there is a good aspect between the ruler of 1st or the moon and the ruler of 10th or a planet in 10th esp if it involves jupiter, venus the sun or merc. look for CofL, Toflight by sign or houses between these or the moon, merc jupiter or venus sepation formt he ruler of 10th and apllying to ruler of the 1st

If it is a No,

if the malefics in the 20th afllict the ruler of the 1st or 10th or the moonl or the ruler of 10th afflicts the moon or the ruler of the 1st or 2nd or ruler of 10th retro and peregrine or combust


soooo

i'd say No

jupiter aspects your saturn ruler of 10th house
which is your competitor

moon/saturn conjunction would not be good

dunno..

what happened?


Cheers
CD

Hello Cosmic Dolphin,

Sorry I wasn't clear enough, I did mean to say by whole signs, meaning to take each sign as the house, starting from the sign of the Ascendant.

ahhh Gotcha!

CD

I wrote:

even though it is interesting and probably some good effects camed from the trine between Jupiter and Sun to which Moon applies

Sorry, I wanted to say trine between Venus and Jupiter to which Moon applies.
I hope I wasn't sleeping

Thanks Steven

You are quite a life library, better than any astrological treaty and I am glad that a man like you obtained such a great success.

So the Jupiter seems to signify that partner who transmited the responsabilities to you?
In your chart it looks like the whole sign house system works better (Sun in 10th square Jupiter, Moon applying to Jupiter)

Steven, Gaby and the rest

can someone explain me what are you guys talking about?

i dont get Steven's chart at all.

So Steven got the job, ok great .. but HOW with this chart?

so you are doing all charts with thole sign in each house, correct?
then what?

so we are getting rid of Regio for arcticc cirle countries?

i am seriously confused.

thanks
T