RC,

From the Horary Practitioner: Doris Chase Doane explained in her book 'Contest Charts' explained the key factors in questions about contests:

"Contest charts are divided in two by mentally drawing a vertical line down through the horoscope from top to bottom. The east (left) side of the chart represents the challenger or one asked about, and the west (right) side maps the opposition. The 7th house becomes the 1st house of the opponent, and the 4th becomes the 10th house of honor for the opposition.

"When only one side is mentioned that team is allotted to the east. Even though unspoken, the implied opposition is ruled by the west side of the wheel."

None of Lilly's example charts deal with games or contests, but he did describe wars, and his rules about fighting apply here. "In it, the 1st house represents "our army" and the 7th represents " their army." The outcome depends on the location and condition of significator planets and their aspects."

kali wrote:RC,

From the Horary Practitioner: Doris Chase Doane explained in her book 'Contest Charts' explained the key factors in questions about contests:

"Contest charts are divided in two by mentally drawing a vertical line down through the horoscope from top to bottom. The east (left) side of the chart represents the challenger or one asked about, and the west (right) side maps the opposition. The 7th house becomes the 1st house of the opponent, and the 4th becomes the 10th house of honor for the opposition.

"When only one side is mentioned that team is allotted to the east. Even though unspoken, the implied opposition is ruled by the west side of the wheel."

None of Lilly's example charts deal with games or contests, but he did describe wars, and his rules about fighting apply here. "In it, the 1st house represents "our army" and the 7th represents " their army." The outcome depends on the location and condition of significator planets and their aspects."

Interesting.

Lilly did have examples of whether the King would keep power did he not? I haven't looked at that for a while but I seem to remember something about that.

RC

Here's a look at Obama's natal in a biwheel to see the transits on day of election.

Obama's Natal chart is the interior wheel. (Natal chart edited for correct time)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html
Birth Time: 7:24 PM AHST, Aug. 4, 1961; Honolulu, HI
RC

What data are you using,RC? I have 7:24 pm birth time which gives Obama 18 Aquarius rising, but I know there's been confusion about his birth time. Am interested in knowing how you came by the chart you're using?

Tara

RC wrote:

kali wrote:RC,

From the Horary Practitioner: Doris Chase Doane explained in her book 'Contest Charts' explained the key factors in questions about contests:

"Contest charts are divided in two by mentally drawing a vertical line down through the horoscope from top to bottom. The east (left) side of the chart represents the challenger or one asked about, and the west (right) side maps the opposition. The 7th house becomes the 1st house of the opponent, and the 4th becomes the 10th house of honor for the opposition.

"When only one side is mentioned that team is allotted to the east. Even though unspoken, the implied opposition is ruled by the west side of the wheel."

None of Lilly's example charts deal with games or contests, but he did describe wars, and his rules about fighting apply here. "In it, the 1st house represents "our army" and the 7th represents " their army." The outcome depends on the location and condition of significator planets and their aspects."

Interesting.

Lilly did have examples of whether the King would keep power did he not? I haven't looked at that for a while but I seem to remember something about that.

RC

Kings usually did not compete for their power unless through war.

p.s. now that I've research these rules I have to reconsider my prediction of an Obama win. Fourth house on my chart has Saturn in very bad shape and opposing Mars. I look forward to posting the chart here.

This is a great place to learn!

Tara wrote:What data are you using,RC? I have 7:24 pm birth time which gives Obama 18 Aquarius rising, but I know there's been confusion about his birth time. Am interested in knowing how you came by the chart you're using?

Tara

Hi Tara:

We're using same birth info/

Your chart is using AHST. I used AHDT. They were using day light savings time weren't they?

I used the info from here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

RC

Another interesting fact re: the horary posted above: I just took a look at McCain's chart from http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/McCainJohn.htm
and see that he has Libra (Venus) rising. I knew he was a Virgo. But interesting that in the horary, the opponent to Obama was Venus sitting with Mercury. Another confirmation of the correct turning of the chart.

RC

RC wrote:

They were using day light savings time weren't they?

Actually not, according to Winstar's Atlas and also Doris Chase Doane's "Time Changes in the USA" which states that Hawaii did not observe Daylight Savings Time from 1946-1979.

So 7:24 pm gives him 18 Aquarius rising.

Tara

Here's a look at Obama's natal in a biwheel to see the transits on day of election.

With so tight Transit South Node conjunction with natal Su I doubt he will win.

Tara wrote:RC wrote:

They were using day light savings time weren't they?

Actually not, according to Winstar's Atlas and also Doris Chase Doane's "Time Changes in the USA" which states that Hawaii did not observe Daylight Savings Time from 1946-1979.

So 7:24 pm gives him 18 Aquarius rising.

Tara

Thanks Tara. I knew the chart looked better than I remembered from before. I should have trusted the software to know what it was doing.

I edited the bi wheel up above. This chart isn't as favorable as the other. This now puts the sun in his 6th house rather than angular and Jupiter is no longer near his Ascendant.

RC

Goca wrote:

Here's a look at Obama's natal in a biwheel to see the transits on day of election.

With so tight Transit South Node conjunction with natal Su I doubt he will win.

Yes, not a good sign there.

Also, if you look across the chart from 7 to 1st, his natal Mars (which rules his MC) is between transiting Saturn and Uranus. Saturn conjuncts it, Uranus opposes it from his 1st And transiting Neptune is opposing natal Uranus (his co ruler of ASC) also from his 1st .

Now there must be some good indicators here... ?

Interesting that he accepted the nomination as North Node was right on his ASC in 18'.

RC

RC wrote:

Now there must be some good indicators here... ?

Sigh. Yes, it's like looking for a golden needle in a bad news haystack.

McCain's prospects are decidedly better. On election day transiting moon is conjunct his moon which is currently receiving trine of his progressed midheaven ...

McCain's health however looks very dodgy with T. Saturn in 12 opp. Saturn in 6th and conjunct Venus, L8, from fall '08 to fall'09. Looks like if he wins, it'll be too much for him and our American friends will wind up with that wingnut from Alaska for President.

Sigh.

Tara