Skyscript Astrology Forum

I have to say I am really impressed by the great graphics. They look really good. It is very interesting how you used your chart in that model.

Maybe it also is a better idea, that you use the Zodiac as it should be. For me, the choice was between keeping the Zodiac original or keeping the AQAL model original.

The reason I kept the AQAL original, was that I then could still use the terms LL (lower left), LR, UR and UL. But on an astrology forum it might be much more convenient to keep the Zodiac original.

So I made new model, to see how that would turn out, if I could see where I agree with you and where not. I now turned the AQAL model instead of the Zodiac. Then I can not use LL etc, but I still can use ?it, i, we, its?.

I want to keep the AQAL model further as intact as possible. Except for ?Individual? where I use ?Personal?. I will give the reason for that below.

It = Exterior Personal = Behavioral
I = Interior Personal = Intentional
We = Interior Collective = Cultural
Its = Exterior Collective = Social
The reason I use ?personal? instead of ?individual? has to do with what you say about the ?self? as used by Jung. I don?t know if he indeed used the ascendant as the ?self?, but personally I think it might be a bit different. Of course it all depends on what exactly someone means with ?self? and then I am not even talking about his differentiation between ?self? and ?Self?.

That is why I did not use it in my basic model yet. And also why I did not use the AQAL word ?individual?.

I think that ?individual?, ?self? and ?ego? have to do with what Jung calls the individuation process. And as I see it, it has to do with the AQAL concept ?interior?. Because the ?exterior? part of the AQAL model (and also the eastern side of the Zodiac) is what is seen by the outside world. The ascendant is your window to the world. While the individuation process is an internal process, starting with Leo.

The biggest problem for me was seeing Aries as external. But seeing it as the birth process, just the starting point of something, I think it can be seen as external. Just as Taurus (growth of the body) and Gemini (exchange with others) can be seen as external.

The inner process starts with Cancer (emotions) which is followed by the ?sense of self? or ?individuation process? (or what else it can be called) of Leo.

So far for now my reaction. Curious to hear what you think, how far you (or others) agree or disagree with that.

Quick comment. I don't see Aries or 1st House as external but as "approaching" toward the external, collective, 12th house (ITS): The Ascendant. Of course, after a long journey from the confrontation of the opposite, 7th house.

That's the beauty of the astrological wheel. It's contiguous and always integral, by various aspect, with the whole chart.

As consciousness progresses from basic instinct (Aries) to awareness of The Other (Libra) and merges, I/THOU, then moves to the next polarity, 2nd to 8th: consciousness through the Senses (Taurus) to awareness of the magnetic field of Tantra (Scorpio),.... thus, merging polarities around the chart.

Integral Note: Remember, let not our larger vision be reduced by linear progression of Time nor three dimensions of Space, for that Matter. The whole chart functions in the Here & Now complexity of All aspects: Quantum Theory and Zero Point Field.

Each "step, rather "aspect," is relative to self/other, inter/outer, including 360 degrees of complex relativity. Even the intellectual distinction of "as observed by self" or "as observed by others" is a major paradox to sustain and transcend.

As Einstein said:
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness."

Now, I'm going back to Labor Day maya and cook for the party. :-)