but I have not listed any alternative association.
I'm just tring to write that comets follow a dfferent rule- the ninefold division- very used from MiddleAges to 1500-1600.
This is the list: Veru, Coaculum, Pertica, Miles, Dominus Aschone, Maculia or Aurea, Argentum, Rosa and Virga.

Oh I see Sorry I misunderstood you.

The Lilly chart is very interesting. You are making a good case for using the previous lunation chart for Comets! It does seem to have a lot of traditional authority.

Mark

MarkC wrote:
The Lilly chart is very interesting. You are making a good case for using the previous lunation chart for Comets! It does seem to have a lot of traditional authority.

Surely it has, it's Ptolemy method
It is because according Ptolemy the syzygy is like a principal cause, which contains many secondary causes, in this case the observation of the comet.

And so it became an easy method to find a date of an event when the exact date was not known. I found this plainly written for example in Pedro Ciruelo - a Spanish astrologer born in 1470.
Margherita

Wow, I mentioned in a previous post that Norway won the Eurovision Song Contest on May 4. 1985. Halley's Comet transited the MC of the chart of Noway at 28TA on the very same day. Halley's comet reached perihelion on Feb 9. 1986. They have only just voted for this years entry. The winning entry was announced at time 22.13 CST, Oslo.

This years entry is called 'Fairytale'. The Moon is VOC in Capricorn.
I tell you - Norway are going to end high up on the list with this one!

It must be a Comet year!

hi, Andrew

This years entry is called 'Fairy Tail'. The Moon is VOC in Capricorn

I didn?t understand why moon VOC in capricorn would be fairytale...

Andrew Bevan wrote:Is there a tropical ephemeris anywhere?

-> Jim Birke (Astrodienst-Forum): http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?la ... 1235236349

Thank you for the link to the tropical ephemeris, Richard!
And thank you to Jim Birke!

Yuzuru: I think that the sign Capricorn (half goat, half fish - half warmblooded, half coldblooded - and the sign of the alchemyst) is the sign of mythology. Moon Void of Course - It's a Fairytale!

Thank you for the link to the tropical ephemeris, Richard!
And thank you to Jim Birke!

Ditto! Cheers guys. Very helpful.

Last night I finally got what I hoped for...a reasonable clear sky and precisely when close to Saturn. At 0:30 CET 24 feb, while the south east sky still was a bit disturbed with smudges of thin clouds, I saw the comet with a 10 x 80 telescope. Saturn was about 1? east of the star Sigma Leonis which was just visible with the naked eye. Lu Lin was about 2? south of them, barely visible as a faint hazy dot, and certainly not visible with the naked eye.

Probably the comet wouldn't have been noticed in the days before the telescope. Perhaps in the clearer Mediterranean skies it will be visible with the naked eye. In the night of 27/28(Europe) february Lu Lin will pass close by the star Regulus.

Nothing but clouds here for the last weeks, but maybe the clouds will break in a few days time. Frankly, several of the big comets the recent years have disappointed me. After reading Patrick Moore's descriptions when I was a child, I think I was expecting something more like a trail of fire across the sky. But that never happened..

Oh, well! It's probably best to observe these things at a safe distance...

Hello Andrew,

No luck either. Of course the Comet was only ever anticipated to be 5th magnitude at best so I am not expecting to be able to see it from my location.

Although we already have an ephemeris provided I am giving a link to a Comet tracker map which indicates where Lulin will be day by day against the constellations. Its likely to fade out completely to naked eye observation in mid March.

http://www.astrodrayer.com/lulin/LulinN3-2.gif

For those of our readers who are not frequented in astronomy, +5 mag. is about the same apparent brightness as the planet Uranus. That would explain the disappointment of anyone in high anticipation of some fireworks. I often wonder how many astrologers practice amateur astronomy and have looked at the planets through a telescope. Do astrologers know how to recognize the planets in the sky, or are they mearly figures taken out of an ephemeris? I do recommend joining astronomers on an observation night and observing these mechanics and appearances in real life.

Andrew Bevan wrote:I often wonder how many astrologers practice amateur astronomy and have looked at the planets through a telescope.

Since I was 10 I have been interested in astronomy. During my teens I read about all kinds of ?spiritual? stuff, reincarnation, magic etc. When I was 14 someone made my horoscope. I didn?t like her delineation, so I didn?t touch astrology again until I was 24. Perhaps she was the reason why I immediately fell for Johannes Kepler?s rational approach of astrology. However astronomy remained.

Astronomy always played a significant role since I was 10. Astrology came second so I should rather be called an (amateur) astronomer who practices amateur astrology. Every year I looked at the planets, I?ve seen several 8 year Venus cycles and two Jupiter cycles since I first saw them. Soon I will see Saturn in the same place where I saw it the first time. I saw many lunar eclipses several partial solar eclipses and the total one of 1999 and even some wonderful Northern lights. I cannot imagine that there are astrologers who never have seen the planets. Knowing the planets and knowing about astronomy gives a deeper dimension to your astrology and at the same time keeps upright a rational mind.

In the early years I also had wonderful ideas of comets and nebulae. The problem is photography. Because of the light collecting power of photographic film more and more is revealed of faint comets and nebulae. That?s why that wonderful picture in the astronomy magazine is something we never will see with our eyes, which cannot collect light as a camera. Perhaps astronomy books for beginning children which contain beautiful photographs made with the Hubble Space Telescope should be prohibited. However, if you realize that the quality of the smallest pair of binoculars is better than Galilei?s telescope then seeing the faintest point, whether it is a moon of Jupiter, a barely visible Neptune or this ?splodge? called Lu Lin gives an enormous satisfaction.

About 8 ? 9 years ago I started to use the mathematical part of astrology. Out of curiousness I wanted to know the right ascension and declination of the planets and have a look at my primary directions. This too gave a greater dimension in astrology. Once you grasp the trigonometry you can reconstruct almost every house system you want. It can be of great support for which system you decide to use. Moreover, you simply know what you are actually doing when applying several techniques. One should also try to calculate his/her own natal planetary positions with for examples Jean Meeus? ?Astronomical Algorithms?. http://www.willbell.com/MATH/mc1.htm It takes a lot of time to do this but then one will realize that what is done with simply a press on the button of the computer program in fact takes much more effort. Astronomy (and the mathematics) is fascinating.