Goca, about Frawley' s method to move the 10th cusp until it meets a planet by an aspect. This planet is the winner.

I suppose this technique is a derivative of Addey' s method (which Frawley describes in Sports Astrology) how to predict the winner in a horse race.

Does Frawley use only major aspects and disregard minor ones? If we use minor aspects the first aspect is a semisextile to the Moon in Libra (16:40) in the 11th house. It may import a female singer (for instance, the girl from Estonia).

Janis, I thought about that too, and because Moon is Planet of Needs and Feelings, and 11 house is about our hopes and dreams, what we desire and what we want to achieve, I think Kati Wolf (Hungary) with song "What About My Dreams? " will fit if that aspect counts. Also direction will fit, south by east.

Janis wrote:Does Frawley use only major aspects and disregard minor ones? If we use minor aspects the first aspect is a semisextile to the Moon in Libra

Not forgetting that the Moon casts her antiscia to the MC!!

Golly, I thought I was offering Goca some friendly support when I gave Serbia a vote on Tuesday.

If Estonia is considered an option, it is possible to support the entry at the price of 18:1, which is a terrific result if they do succeed. The thought has struck me that some nations probably back their entries at the bookmakers as a part of a marketing campaign. It is a relative means of attracting the public attention.

Andrew, Moon casts her antisca to Pisces IC (13PI20). It may be an indication for a North European country. So does Saturn who is the most esentially dignified planet in the chart (exaltation + triplicity). They both will be going to culminate on MC as the event unfolds.

It is almost the same situation as in the 2010 Eurovision chart, when the winning entry was signified by Saturn (being almuten of MC) casting his antisca to Aries IC.

May be the planet casting his antisca indicates the next host of the competion?

Moon, if attributed to the role of popular vote, in Libra favours loves (respects) Venus (as her boss) and exalts Saturn, but hates Mars and Sun. May be it's a little bit vulgar, but my experience from football predictions say the planets bahave like Antique Gods in the Olympus.

Venus, the lady of hour rules the Moon, and is in mutual reception with Mars (lord of the 5th (songs, entertainment) and dispositor of POF casting its antisca close to MC). This mixture makes me think a female singer is going to win.

Golly, I thought I was offering Goca some friendly support when I gave Serbia a vote on Tuesday.

Andrew, thanks, you are very kind! I did not vote for anyone, but will vote in final after I hear all songs!

This isn't really an astrological contribution but I actually quite like Serbia's this year.

Also as for the MC aspecting the Sun, couldn't Sweden's Popular be descriptive of this as well? I quite like that song actually.

Paul wrote: Also as for the MC aspecting the Sun, couldn't Sweden's Popular be descriptive of this as well? I quite like that song actually.

In my opinion No, direction(west) do not fit.

Janis wrote:Andrew, Moon casts her antisca to Pisces IC (13PI20).

Connecting to the angle, but you are quite right. Thank you!

Paul wrote:This isn't really an astrological contribution but I actually quite like Serbia's this year. Also as for the MC aspecting the Sun, couldn't Sweden's Popular be descriptive of this as well? I quite like that song actually.

Interesting you should say this. Apart from that France appear as the outright favorite by odds (and that doesn't mean they necessarily win), in my mind, there at least 6 entries that 'could win this year. And that is before Sweden and Serbia as you mention!

In terms of 'Popular', I had wondered whether the significator should be Mercury (common), the Moon (public) or Jupiter (benevolant). It never crossed my mind to associate the Swdish entry with the Sun, yet if the Lights or Fortunes were angular then this could have indicated a popular favorite. However, with the antiscia of the Moon being on the IC as Janis points out, it could go either way for the Moon - either fortify her or bury her. In the case of the latter that means that the result of the contest is hidden and obscure and could open the door for an underdog.

There such a wide specter of entries this year divided into different genre. It almost like a painting of Piccaso. I think if a song has the ability to collect a lot of '8's' and '10's' (not necessarily the most 12's) then is stands a good chance of coming up as the winner. I am absolutely stunned (read 'petrified') by the Irish entry coming up among the favorites towards the end of the bookmaker's auction. I thnk the song is terrible, but what an energy these guys have got and what a show.

I agree with you, Andrew, that Moon casting antisca to Pisces IC may import a surprise, a chance for an underdog.

Moon is placed in Libra in the 11th conjunct Saturn (though seperating). I prefer using Placidus houses in an event chart; this puts Cancer intercepted in the 8th and Leo on the 9th cusp. The 8th rules banking and and big business (when bing banking capital circulates). In my opinion, its decriptive of Rockefeller Street. International business is concentrated in Manhattan (Cancer intercepted in the 8th with the Moon in 11th (business money)).

If we look at the stage's architecture when the song is performed, its all Saturn in Libra, a moveable and airy sign - shabby tall buildings, robust shapes, etc.

Saturn' s position in XI in Libra reminds the man in whose name the street is named. John D. Rockefeller was an oil tycoon (Saturn) and reknown of as a philanthropist (XI house).

The lyrics also remind Moon and Saturn conjunct in Libra (the fall of the Sun):
Daylight is fading away
Night silhouettes in the sky
Led lights are flashing on towers
It?s Manhattan?s magical time

Saturn in an airy sign and XI house (towers); Moon - artificial lights. If we take the Sun's position on the West angle it' s also decriptive of Rockefeller Street (Daylight is fading away). Sun is the almuten of the 5th (song contest) and in mutual reception with Venus, the lady of the hour, and who is the dispositor of Moon and Saturn.

As the event unfolds, Saturn and Moon will culminate on MC.

Azerbaijan!!

MattG wrote:Based on that I am going for a SW European country, ruled by Aries and represented by a male/female duo.

Points to MattG for spotting the male/female duo.

Janis wrote:I agree with you, Andrew, that Moon casting antisca to Pisces IC may import a surprise, a chance for an underdog.

Well, that was certainly right. The voting was everywhere, and favorites like France, UK and Germany didn't really make it at all. And where was Estonia?? But Sweden did score with 'Popular', and they even wrote the Azerbaijan entry!!

I wrote:Now we have had opportunity to listen to the entries. I have to be honest, while ?Lipstick?, representing Taurus-ruled Ireland, is likely to rock a wide audience, I don?t think it is going to make it to the top this year. If I was to swap cards and exchange one Taurus nation for another, I would probably go for Azerbaijan ? but this is South East of D?sseldorf and does not agree with the initial prediction.

But really, Azerbaijan had me foxed. The melody had me hooked immediately, but I thought the text was wierd. I am sure we shall discuss this further. Several artists appeared to have trouble with the sound and this may have influenced the result for some of those depending on a clear mix. Yet, I thought the show and visual effects were terrific!

Where did you get that Azerbaijan is a Taurus country, Andrew? That makes sense.

The chart had too much of Venus dominion. Venus ruled the our and was dispositor of the Moon and the Sun. From football charts I know that such testimony is conclusive, we do not need to look for anything else.

The Sun (the only angular planet) being in Taurus directed us to SE. The Moon in East quarter also directed us to SE. There were a number of planets about to leave Aries and enter Taurus.

Where did you get that Azerbaijan is a Taurus country, Andrew? That makes sense.

It find it listed in R.E.Bills 'Rulership Book' - which I find rather useful, although the cross-reference on source could have been more developed.

One of the things I will be asking myself in the aftermath is how early my early ideas on the event chart picked out 3 of the top favorites, UK, ireland and France, yet on the night they 'flopped'. There was nothing disgraceful with the perfomance with either the Irish, British or French, although Jedward were probably better in the semi-finals and the sound may have played tricks on 'Blue' and Amary Vassili. France were King at Bookmakers and ended no.15 with 82 points !