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Okay, I have to say I was very impressed by all posters' delineations... Olivia, Ile, Mark... Tamara Small deserves credit, too. You really rocked the boat!
I was looking at other chart then them, but it doesn't matter anymore. I was silent just because I knew I must be wrong.

Anyway, I will give a try with the atomic physicist, it is really interesting. This is the chart I picked.
Reasons:

1. The Sun signifies radiations, so I was looking for Sun as significator of profession (the native is also a director, so that's a boot for Sun). In this case, he rules MC and PoF.

2. The Sun must behold both Mars and Mercury, because they are about reasoning, engineering and sciences of many sorts.

3. The Sun, Mars and Mercury should be at least succedant, if not angular, but never cadent.

4. All three are in the triplicity of Saturn, who can protect the native from the dangers of the radiations by trining the Asc and being in conjunction with the Moon. He is also angular, which is stronger than the succedant three. Therefore, a very efficient and strong protection.

5. Mars, the ruler of Asc, is in 12th WSH, which signifies laboratories. Mars is about high temperatures in the native's environment. The aversion is fitting: the workplace holds a high degree of danger that may destroy the physical body and, therefore, extra cautions are always necessary. The trine of Mars and Sun just back this up, as the Sun is in the 8th place. There is expected some anxiety.

I expect to be wrong, though... I hate it, because I don't like to stick to something wrong...

Thanks Ile for your very generous comments. I guess someone had to get lucky here! I admit it was a bit of a jackpot this time.

As Tzadde has just pointed though out Tamara Small also correctly opted for Chart 1. Pretty impressive for a 2nd post on Skyscript dont you think?

I think I am right in thinking Tamara like myself basically relied on a hellenistic approach and whole sign houses. I do think the later made it easier to hone in on chart 1 as Placidus placed the Mars in the 8th house.

I actually, think it was Olivia's mention of the Mars-Jupiter association with military figures that steered me in the right direction. I just decided to rather obsessively focus on that. Plus PFN's reference to Astrodatabank was handy as I researched a lot charts of WWI and WWII fighter pilot aces. I think its important to test out traditional theory in actual charts like this.

In terms of selecting a chart like most people I had an initial gut reaction. In my case I thought charts 2 & 5 were the likeliest. However, I dont select a chart based on hunches. I try to have a consistent methodology and apply that to every chart. Its a bit like dignity scoring although not quite that meticulous. Here it was simply looking for that Mars-Jupiter link to key selected points. So when I analysed all the charts I was a initially surprised to end up with chart 1 on top. The chart doesn't initially jump out at you visually like some others.

The technique I was experimenting with in my delineation here was retrograde planets using an Indian approach. In other words not giving retrograde planets an automatically negative interpretation as the western medieval tradition suggests. In Indian astrology such planets are seen as powerful, prominent and indicating the unusual. That approach seems to have worked out well in this instance.

I am glad that this exercise at least seems to have validated the traditional notion of military nativities having a strong Mars-Jupiter theme.

As James suggested earlier though what we need to develop are 'planetary signatures' for a range professions that can allow us to delineate as effectively as possible when clients present to us. Modern astrologers like Noel Tyl have developed this for his kind of astrology. Of course there are loads of ideas in the traditional literature. I would just like to see us test out such notions in actual nativities. This will also require a degree of creativity in applying traditional principles to some modern occupations unknown in the past.

This might be a useful topic to open a thread on at a future date.

I think I will bow out of this thread now. I dont have the amount of time to study the other options being presented by James.

Moreover, I feel like a gambler at the Casino who prefers to leave with his winnings still on the table.

Mark

Ill check ADbank for nuclear Physicists.
Some of you should go for the Randi million prize.
I wonder how many of the ones who got it right are Aquarians. I heard this sign is particularly gifted or this art,and a study of all astrologers on ADbank showed that 22% were Aquarius

I go for chart 3 as Sun insect rules MC and Fortune.
The 5 has AC ruler out of sect. I wouldnt completely rule it out but 3 makes the best candidate.
However I wonder what do you make of Sun/Venus in 7 from Fortune in chart 4? I normally hear about planets in 10th or 11th from Fortune but not 7th.

By the way let us know if chart 4 died violently as Ile suggests

Damon wrote:

I wonder how many of the ones who got it right are Aquarians. I heard this sign is particularly gifted or this art,and a study of all astrologers on ADbank showed that 22% were Aquarius

We dont rely on Sun signs here Damon. If we are generalising about signs (including Sun, Moon, ASC, Mercury) I have noticed Virgo crops up disproportionately amongst professionals. Mercury is the traditional ruler of astrology. However, its a whole different topic and several threads have discussed it on the General forum before.

For example:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1598

Mark

makes sense as astrology requires a lot of eye for detail

Damon,

This thread on the placement of Mercury in astrologers charts might be of interest too:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6352

Mark

Thanks
By the way based on my chart alone, I would focus a lot on the planet oriental to the Sun. No astrologer of any kind has been able to spot my most obvious talent to this day.
They talk about teaching or law because of Jupiter and 9th house planets, but I inherited from my dad a talent for drawing and was active in making comics in my teens. Had I been born in a country that encourages thisa sort of art a lot more,like Belgium or US I might have stuck with it.
It happens that I have Venus oriental to Sun in 8th house. Mercury in Aquarius ruling hands may have an influence too as AC ruler, but it was never mentioned by any astrologer.

http://aliceportman.com/your-career-in- ... tal-chart/

It is also mentioned above

Hello Damon,

Time to get back to the thread topic I think. A new thread on oriental planets
and career looks the way to go. Ptolemy does talk about this but I have never found his technique that reliable myself.

Mark

According to C. Carter capricorn,taurus and 3rd house are very strong in naturalists, and for mathematicians and abstract thinkers sagitarius and air signs,9th and 3rd houses are strong,prticularly the 22 degree of gemini-sagitarius, the 25 of cancer is often occupied or aspected.
But Physics? I suppose it requires Math skills right?
One of the charts has 25 cancer setting by the way

Hope you all had wonderful holidays!! I see I have missed a good two weeks of astrology challenges.

I would go with Chart 3.

We have Mars in the 11th house of large organizations of which the military is. I have noticed those with military connections also have a strong sun/Mars connection. Here we have a Sun/Mars Trine, in an air sign, giving excellent eye hand coordination, in addition to the mental acuity needed for a pilot.

The sun, is also ruler of the 10th house of career, bringing The trine with Mars (military into the career). The Sun, in Gemini, ruler Mercury, very strong in its own sign, additionally giving the native, excellent eye hand and mental acuity,

The 2nd house of income, Sag., indicating, income derived from fire (mars) as well as from much long distance travel. Ruler of 2nd, Jupiter in First, (defining who the person is) is ruled by Mars, ruler of Scorpio.

As I am posting from my iPad, I can't go back and see the chart now, to mention my other indications, so I will have to leae it at that.

Hi

Someone made the coment below about these mystery charts although he isnt aware the current one contains 5 instead of 3 charts.
I myself had doubts because Mark is one of the moderators and could know well the person who posted the charts.
So I suggest mystery charts are posted by an independent source

"Don't be fooled by hand-picked test cases.

Any brand of astrology could pick out some chart that fits very well with its standard principles, for example when it comes to people's profession, and post it together with two other charts. Most of the astrologers belonging to that school will then be able to pick out the correct chart belonging to given profession.

In the same way a bazi practitioner could look into charts of wealthy people until he finds one that contains a lot of strong Wealth element. Post the chart alongside two other charts of poorer people and a most bazi experts will then succeed in picking out the chart of the wealthy guy.

That kind of tests are totally useless, especially when only 3 charts are given, because even a random coin toss would guess correctly 33% of the time.

For this kind of "pick the profession belonging to a given chart" type tests to have any value, you need a bigger group of charts, randomly chosen charts by some independent conductor of the test.
Then let astrologers fit the professions to the given charts (e.g. 10 or more charts).
Such tests have been tried and I don't know of any branch of astrology that did significantly better than average chance.