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Geoffrey seems to state my thoughts well. This looks like one of those issues where the evolution of our culture has moved a concept like ?romance? from one house (or set of houses) to another. Pretty cool.an example of astrology adapting to keep pace with modern cultural attitudes.
Geoffrey wrote:No not at all, I am only asking about the natal chart. I was asking if the placement of natal venus has some say when it comes to modern interpretations of "romance", as in one night stands, hooking up, etc. The reason I ask this is because I read elsewhere on this thread that venus has some affinity with the 5th house and lends its own significations to the 5th house or something like that. That being said, if venus is associated with pleasure then it would be logical to assume that maybe the natal condition of venus has something to do with pleasure and its presence or lack thereof in our lives.AstroNovice wrote:I am not sure what you are asking here. Are you asking if the placement of the querent's natal Venus should be taken as a sensitive point in horary charts dealing with 'romance'?-The condition and location of natal venus has some say in romantic matters as well?
Apart from the Venus link to the 5th through the joys we also have its ancient association in the Thema Mundi. In that scheme Mars is placed in the 5th house in the sign of Scorpio. With the 5th representing children we have a fertile sign ruling the house. Clearly though, both Mars and Scorpio bring in associations with sex. So the Venus-Mars connections of this house would be consistent with romance and love.Thanks, Deb. I was aware of the 5th as a house of "pleasures" going back quite a ways and always assumed that this was, as you pointed out, due to the fact that Venus rejoices there. The quote you have given from Dariot is the earliest specific mention I have seen of romance and love as one of those "pleasures" -- Bonatti, for example, does not mention it and his thinking is more in line with the examples you have also given from al-Biruni and ibn Ezra. I wonder if there is anything earlier than Dariot?
what kind of aspect is it? and what planets are involved? if you dont mind me askingTyler wrote:From what I seen the 5th house seems to pop up often in horary questions. Often the ruler of the 7th will be placed in the 5th house of the querent or vice versa, or the 1st house rulers disposer will be placed in the 5th.
There is no definitive authority to draw upon with thought interpretation techniques as found in 'Search of the Heart', because they began to recede in use even within the medieval tradition; however, going over numerous post judged charts, seems to support their usage. Even Lillys.
Often in romance horarys the 5th house is signified using these techniques, and curiously the 2nd house is often prominent as well.
EDIT: For what its worth, the ruler of my 5th house in my nativity is within aspect of my asc. ruler within a few degrees. Nothing promiscuous -I am way too much of a prude for that, but romantic relations do seem to be prevalent in my life, and I do not exactly have to struggle to find them.