Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:53 pm
Hi Haydon and others,
Clarification is required on what I wrote before one gets misled even further. Reread carefully my initial post.
I never said the Sun is Giver of Life or of Years; it could participate with or override the Giver of Years, but one needs more testimonies for such longevity, and I showed them.
As I said, that was the first thing I noticed when I looked at the chart, it was not in any way the major one.
By the way, I read about this 3-5 degree Asc-MC rule in Bonatti years ago, but I think it is also present in the Persian Nativities book I or II.
I did not use the Perso-Arabic method of longevity but a much older one of which the "Hyleg-Alcocoden" doctrine is a mixture or spin off.
What looked like mere primary directions were in fact a full method of longevity, which uses not primaries but the rising times of the zoidia.
That is why I said I had not studied this chart and hence did not insist that the Moon is the Apheta. First of all, the chart could be nocturnal, especially with a crooked zoidion rising, and even it is diurnal it is no 100% guarantee that the Sun is the Giver of Life as there are many exceptions to this doctrine. But anyway, if the Sun is the Giver of Life then its directions should if not show the length of life be at least close to it, and it is not even close, whereas with the Moon it really works.
Anyway, as I said that is not the first method of longevity to be used. I am ok with the Sun being the Giver of Life, this does not potentially stop it from participating with the Giver of Years or length of life.
I did not mean spear-bearing at all. If you check the forward path of the Aphetic points in question you will see that benefics guard the forming figures (aspects in modern parlance) preventing the malefics from cutting the life "prematurely".
So what I did with the chart was use different methods for longervity. Neither the Ptolemaic, nor the Perso-Arabic method are complete within themselves.
What I shared was from Valens.
Thanks again for bringing up that nativity, Haydon,
I have added it to my research folder.
My last comment is that this chart is truly rare in that Aphrodite not only is the confine lord of the Asc, both the Lights, and Fortune, but is in its own confines and trigon and very close to its maximum elongation and of course having most dignity in the Asc and averse to both malefics. A very long life indeed!
Clarification is required on what I wrote before one gets misled even further. Reread carefully my initial post.
I never said the Sun is Giver of Life or of Years; it could participate with or override the Giver of Years, but one needs more testimonies for such longevity, and I showed them.
As I said, that was the first thing I noticed when I looked at the chart, it was not in any way the major one.
By the way, I read about this 3-5 degree Asc-MC rule in Bonatti years ago, but I think it is also present in the Persian Nativities book I or II.
I did not use the Perso-Arabic method of longevity but a much older one of which the "Hyleg-Alcocoden" doctrine is a mixture or spin off.
What looked like mere primary directions were in fact a full method of longevity, which uses not primaries but the rising times of the zoidia.
That is why I said I had not studied this chart and hence did not insist that the Moon is the Apheta. First of all, the chart could be nocturnal, especially with a crooked zoidion rising, and even it is diurnal it is no 100% guarantee that the Sun is the Giver of Life as there are many exceptions to this doctrine. But anyway, if the Sun is the Giver of Life then its directions should if not show the length of life be at least close to it, and it is not even close, whereas with the Moon it really works.
Anyway, as I said that is not the first method of longevity to be used. I am ok with the Sun being the Giver of Life, this does not potentially stop it from participating with the Giver of Years or length of life.
I did not mean spear-bearing at all. If you check the forward path of the Aphetic points in question you will see that benefics guard the forming figures (aspects in modern parlance) preventing the malefics from cutting the life "prematurely".
So what I did with the chart was use different methods for longervity. Neither the Ptolemaic, nor the Perso-Arabic method are complete within themselves.
What I shared was from Valens.
Thanks again for bringing up that nativity, Haydon,
I have added it to my research folder. My last comment is that this chart is truly rare in that Aphrodite not only is the confine lord of the Asc, both the Lights, and Fortune, but is in its own confines and trigon and very close to its maximum elongation and of course having most dignity in the Asc and averse to both malefics. A very long life indeed!
