goran,

skyscript was down for a few days but is back up now!

thanks for getting back to me and providing an example from Flores Albumasaris, otherwise known as Flowers of Abu Ma'shar.. this book is contained within ben dykes volume 2 book of the world.. here is a quote as well from the book which has some relevance, assuming saturn is lord of the year... "And if the aspect of Saturn to Jupiter were from a square aspect, instead of wars there will be disagreement in matters between those who are in the districts of Saturn and Jupiter." page 306 "Astrology of the World 11".. all quotes below from this translation of b dykes.

of course there are other quotes too on the relationship between saturn, if lord of the year with mars and sun and etc..

page 332 of this translation gives some commentary on saturn and mars in conjunction in the 11th.. "In the eleventh, destruction falling between friends, and everyone having a friend will be changed concerning his own associate."

page 344"If Saturn were in Sagittarius and his latitude northern, it indicates the heat of the atmosphere and a scarcity of winds and rain.... If retrograde, the severity of men's affairs, and a battle among them." fwiw page 346 jupiter in virgo offsets the lack of rain...

page 326 chapter 111: On war and civil unrest"
"The knowledge of battles and ar in from the place of Mars, in his assemblies with Saturn, from his opposition, or a square: for if it were thus, it signifies war. And if it was Jupiter instead of Mars, this will signify war provoked for justice, and those who say they were moved to war based on that.

page 305 "and if he(Saturn) was of a bad condition, it signifies the death of the wealthy, and envy and hatred of them, accusations and lack of concern, with the rustics hatred towards them."

i don't have a copy of "The Astrological History of Masha'allah" by Kennedy and Pingree. one reason this example is an important one is the importance given to jupiter/saturn conjunctions.. a planet in the ascendant is always considered more powerful then one in the 10th - which i take it the moon is in this chart, however i don't know the midheaven degree. this is why the chart is referred to as "the chart of the Revolution of the Year for the conjunction indicating "the Religion"." it's a good example. thanks!

i am rifling thru ben dykes book 'works of sahl and masha'allah.. some interesting comments are made my masha'allah in 'revolutions of the years of the world.' page 330 "Chapter 7: On the luminaries, if they were in the angles. Know that the luminaries, if there were in one of the angles, will be the lord of the Year - unless the one which was in an angle was impeded."

too many quotes to put in a post here, but interesting reading that sometimes seems to contradict itself.. perhaps this is due my unfamiliarity with the logic or the hierarchy of the logic..

perhaps as abraham ibn ezra suggests, the eclipse prior to the aries ingress is an important consideration as well.. you and others might like to offer some thoughts on the chart below.. i will try to gather my thoughts on all this and comment at some point..


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