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This is Turkey national charts Solar return.

Similar angularity there with Pluto right on IC.
And Uranus exactly setting at the DC.


Also the MC of the Solar return is exactly on National chart's Pluto.


S

thanks stefan,

i am very saddened to hear about this.. do you have a time of the event for today? thanks.

Yes - the papers give about 9am. That's what I've read.

Stefan, I think you need to make some changes in how you are calculating ingress charts. They can't be set as transit charts. You have to begin with a base chart for the area (any current date), and then ask for the Solar Return, go to the Advance/Ingress option, and type in the ingress you want (such as 0Cancer00). Then you will get the right ingress chart. Here is the correct 2015 Fagan-Allen Cancer Ingress for Ankara, Turkey:
It's much easier to see planets on angles if you set the chart for "Equal House" rather than Whole Sign Houses.

This isn't a catastrophic event, but a very important law was passed here in California on October 5. Governor Brown signed a bill allowing physicians to aid the terminally ill in dying. There are only four states at this time that allow physician aided death. I calculated the Virgo Ingress charts for both Krishnamurti and Fagan-Allen.
As usual, the K and F-A charts are fairly similar except for the Moon. I always consider not only the angular planets, but also the planets that closely aspect the angles or close planetary configurations. The signing of a bill would come under Mercury, and in the K chart Venus at the nadir aspects Mercury on the cusp of the 6th house. This is the most prominent aspect in the chart that touches an angle. Uranus aspects Mercury via the opposition.

In the F-A chart the Moon is angular on the 7th cusp aspected by Venus. The Moon is the most angular planet in the chart. Mercury isn't prominent in relation to an angle, within three degrees.

So in the K chart we have Venus sextile Mercury aspected by Uranus.

In the F-A chart there is Venus square the Moon on the 7th cusp. Does that describe the signing of a bill into law?

I think we can see that it can take a lot of research before we can claim one ayanamsa over another. It's a difficult puzzle.

Therese Hamilton wrote:Stefan, I think you need to make some changes in how you are calculating ingress charts. They can't be set as transit charts. You have to begin with a base chart for the area (any current date), and then ask for the Solar Return, go to the Advance/Ingress option, and type in the ingress you want (such as 0Cancer00). Then you will get the right ingress chart. Here is the correct 2015 Fagan-Allen Cancer Ingress for Ankara, Turkey:

Thanks Therese for that method. It's easier.
But in fact I checked again using my earlier method of casting a
event chart for the location and then using the animation with months, days, hours, minutes and seconds to get the chart. And this time I got
the correct chart for the Cancer ingress for Ankara, but with a 6 second difference from the chart you got from the Ingress module.

I also did go back and check the cancer Ingress for 9/11 New york, in the first post of this thread. And got there the same chart with the animation technique as the Ingress method.
So I think this was perhaps more due to some haste in my animation ?

I think the rest of the charts in the thread would be correct. But your method is better, and it's great that you gave me this way of doing it, with
Solar Fire. We have the same software.


S

General Comments on Ingress Charts

Whereas I can see the logic of casting equinox and solstice charts that mark the cardinal signs in the tropical zodiac, I don't see a logical reason for making the sidereal cardinal sign ingress charts of special importance because they don't mark specific solar rhythm points from our view here on earth. Also there is a three month period if we're looking only at cardinal ingress charts (in either zodiac). To be scientifically correct, we'd have to look at all significant events in each three month period from one cardinal ingress to the next.

If we consider all ingresses into sidereal signs as equally important, than the period is shortened to only one month for significant events. It's much easier to catalog events within that short period of time. This is why I've never given sidereal cardinal ingress charts any more emphasis than the other eight ingresses of the Sun into signs.

Of course my comments fall on deaf ears among Fagan school astrologers. But it never hurts to take multiple approaches to investigating ingress charts. I'm only giving my personal opinion here, so I don't mean to criticize Stefan's approach on this thread.

The angles are said to be supremely important in ingress charts. So traditionally we look at:

(1) Planets very close to angular cusps (Asc, Desc, MC, IC)
(2) Planets making very close aspects to angular cusps

Because ingress charts are very precisely related to the earth's geographic areas, any other planets are given little or no attention unless they closely aspect planets in the above positions. Then their influence is combined with the significant planets that relate to chart angles.

Therese

Guatemala City Mudslide

Here are the Krishnamurti and Fagan-Allen Virgo ingress charts for the Guatemala City mudslide that (to date, October 10, 2015) has killed close to 300 people. On October 1 heavy rains caused the side of a towering hill to break loose suddenly and crash down on the village on the outskirts of Guatemala City.
As usually happens, the K and F-A cusps are close, but in this case planetary aspects to angles are closer in the K chart:

Saturn is in partile square within one minute to the MC. The Saturn/MC orb in the F-A chart is about 2.5 degrees.

The Jupiter/Neptune opposition is at the zenith/nadir in both charts, but the orb to the ascendant is closer in the K chart. Jupiter in this chart is the 8th lord and disposits both Uranus and Pluto. (I haven't yet made up my mind about the importance of house lords or dispositors in ingress charts.)

The K Moon near the 6th cusp ties in with the angular Neptune (trine) and Jupiter at the nadir (sextile). In the F-A chart the Moon has moved to 23? of Libra, so is far out of orb to both the ascendant and MC.

therese,

thanks for your comments here.. i happen to share your viewpoint, but haven't commented on this.. however james eshelman has gone to the work of investigating this in his own way and i was curious to see the basis for it. he converts the charts into an earth connected framework - rising and setting of the planets via the prime vertical analogue feature on solar fire which i also have, and i think it is worth exploring.. but i do share your viewpoint on this as the only way ingress charts make sense to me is in relation to the sun-earth relationship as opposed to the sun-sky relationship..

perhaps stefan or martin have some unique insight on this they could share?

Thanks for your thoughts...


I'm still evaluating these charts so I have not much to say about it.

But in astrology in general much of what we do habitually is often quite illogical imo. But empirical astrology done over time have proved that even methods without much logic in it often seems to functioning. I am thinking of for example Arabic parts, Converse progressions or converse primary directions for example...or the Terms. Some traditional astrologers seems to give greater value to the 'Lot of fortune' than other factors in the charts which might seems to be a funny way of doing it. But if it works then....

Academic evaluating thoughts have significance, but should perhaps not be the determining factor of what should be done and not done imo. In that case much of can be of value is at risk of being overseen.

I have become to have respect for the empiric work of these Sidereal astrologers testing these techniques and Ayanamsha.
These charts seems to be powerful. They creates often the kind of intuitive feel that they are spot on in many instances that is worth to further explore.

In a chart the angular houses are the pillar of the chart. 1st,4th,7th,10th.
This might correlate to that also the sidereal Cardinal signs being more influential in ingress charts ?

hi stefan,

you have shared some great connections to events that have happened.. i remain open to these ideas, even though i don't understand the logic behind it.. for me ingress charts and the concept of an ingress is about the earth sun relationship... perhaps framing it in terms of the sidereal backdrop makes sense to someone but i can't get my head around it.. that said - the connections you've shared are impressive.. i suppose our comments are now more philosophical in nature so i will stop now.. maybe someone can explain the mechanics to me... i go back to the idea that james eshelman shared about the concept of something 'rising'.. in order to properly see what is rising - an earth based phenomenon, one would best see what is happening on this level thru a prime vertical analogue chart - especially with the example he used in his book with the author of sherlock holmes books - forget his name - where pluto looked much different by zodiac then by pv.. so, perhaps it isn't only about the zodiac - which brings us back to the sidereal/tropical differences being less relevant.. well you can see i have said all i can say on this for now!!

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World war II

World war II begun 1 sep 1939 with first shot in the Poland invasion by Hitler.



In this chart the planet of War Mars is extraordinary:

--- Mars is OOB (Out-of-bounds) near it's most extreme declination.
-26'S28'
https://anzaskies.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/mars-cycles/

--- Mars is exalted in Capricorn.

--- Mars is exalted in Capricorn in the Navamsha chart too(Vargottama)

But more interesting might be from the wiewpoint of this topic here
is that:

--- Mars is located at 0' degree Capricorn (Fagan-Allen Ayanamsha).

Thus at the sidereal Cardinal sign Capricorn. Thus Mars is in fact exactly transiting conjunction the Sun in the sidereal Capricorn solar ingress chart. And opposing the Sun in the Cancer ingress chart. More about these charts later...
This seems to me interesting that at such an important event in history, the planet of War is "triggering" the Sidereal ingress charts.





In Part 3 ? Astrological Timing, Nicholas Campion presents the relation between different charts of the World War II, this time emphasizing the position of angles. One can find here the charts for Hitler?s order to invade Poland (31 August 1939, 12:30 MET, Berlin), the first shot in WW II (1 September 1939, 04:17 MET, Danzig) and the final surrender of all German forces (8 May 1945, 24:00, MET, Berlin).

Stefan