25 by Vicki James just a few more thoughts about Erdogan?s chart using only what we know for definite given the unverified birth time. Directions at age 64 :- His radical Neptune directs to 29 Sag to oppose the Mundane Moon at 29 Gemini. It also trines his pre natal lunation at 28 Leo. His radical Jupiter directs to 20 Leo to conjoin the Mundane Neptune. Transits at age 64 early 2018 are:- Pluto at 19 Capricorn opposes his radical Uranus (on 19 Cancer it is conjoining Castor. Liber Hermetis says of this area of the sky ?they will be harmed in the head") Uranus at 25 Aries opposes his radical Neptune. Neptune at 12 Pisces is squaring that near opposition of radical Mars and Jupiter, Mars being on Antares and Jupiter on Rigel. Rigel in Orion can be associated with disasters in Mundane charts. Also Charles Carter found 16 -17 degrees of the mutables to be more often associated with accidents. His radical chart :- Note how the Mundane Uranus at 13 Pisces conjoins his radical Mercury conjoin Venus. Also his radical Neptune at 25 Libra conjoins the Mundane Mercury conjoin Saturn. Quote Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:05 pm
26 by james_m hi vicki, thanks for the overview on erdogans directions and etc... it seems there is an emphasis on neptune.. the saturn/neptune square does the final passage here in a few days at 10 mutable 24.. this is close to the t square in his chart. so, lots of neptune for the moment.. i read today turkey had a few tanks blown up by isis with 3 turkish miltary personal killed.. apparently they are venturing further into syria and the idea was mentioned that turkey might venture in towards raqqa with the usa... not sure what kind of backdoor agreement or not turkey has been given for doing this.. i am quite sure the only reason the usa is in their is under the guise of un resolution to go after isis, but i don't believe that includes going into another sovereign country which is how the un would view syria too.. the aug 24th chart with the mars/saturn conjunction remains in play here either way.. i suspect the full moon eclipse coming up will shed greater light on the game plan that the various players have, or haven't completely revealed outwardly at this point... that is soon enough.. i would just like to add how i see neptune as a planet connected to religion.. the idea of erdogan trying to further islam, as opposed to a secular policy in turkey strikes me as what he is doing here... i don't believe that is in sync with ataturks idea of a modern turkey based on secularism.. perhaps this explains why some folks are very polarized by erdogan one way or the other.. Quote Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:57 am
air attack at al bab nov 24th 27 by james_m gif hosting this attack is the anniversary date of the russian plane that was shot down by turkey last year.. interesting timing.. 3 soldiers were killed, and an additional one later from the same event.. it is said to have happened at 30 minutes after midnight - gmt, or 230am local time... the planet jupiter appears directly on the ascendant in the event chart, with the ruler of libra - venus - applying directly into this jupiter/pluto square. the cross overs or synastry between this event chart and turkeys 1923 chart are quite interesting.. i note the position of the nodal axis is essentially a nodal axis return, with transiting neptune continuing to be positioned on the south node both natally and by transit with the transiting nodal axis.. i recall judith hill talking about concern over danger near water with south node / neptune contacts - conjunction anyway.. transit of saturn almost exactly squares onto the midheaven of 1923 turkey chart.. i am inclined to view this as an internal, or external clash in terms of the direction turkey is taking here in syria and more widely in it's position towards the european union, refugee crisis and etc. etc.. meanwhile it seems erdogan continues on making nice to russia while waiting to see what type of relationship with come of the new guy to take office in the usa january 20th. m k bhadrakumar has an article up on this event with some geo-political considerations that i touch on.. http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2 ... -rebuffed/ Quote Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:40 am
28 by james_m it seems to me turkey is increasingly unstable.. they have suffered a few more 'terrorist' attacks in the past week or so with many casualties.. the country seems increasingly unstable.. i do believe the chart i have been working with for turkey - oct 29, 1923 ankara, 830pm is very active and relevant.. perhaps the solar return for this year with the mars/pluto conjunction signals more of the violence that seems to be a potential characteristic in the natal chart with mars/pluto square.. or perhaps it is the solar arc ascendant exactly square the natal pluto in the ascendant? whatever the astrological analysis some one wants to give it, turkey seems very unstable.. now obviously the proximity to the ongoing conflict in syria is an important part of this.. but it is much more then that too.. turkeys position in relation to the european union is another factor.. the allegiance to nato factors into this, as does a desire to work with russia and the usa to resolve all the challenges that the wider area face also factor into it all.. regardless of how one views erdogan as a leader, the country seems to be going thru a very difficult time at this moment..this is a mars (aries) as ruler of the profection chart for this year as well.. below is a chart for the 2016 solar return using the chart i cite above... imageupload Quote Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:36 pm
29 by james_m russian ambassador was assassinated much earlier today in the turkey capital of ankara.. seems to me if this astrology is relevant, especially if the profected chart moving forward approx 1 degree per day is a useful tool, this window of violence isn't over quite yet. andrey karlov birthdate is feb 4 1954... update.. dec 21st.. Jaish al-Fatah, formerly known as the Al-Nusra Front, is now claiming responsibility for the murder.. - i found the birth date for the assassin - june 24 1994.. birthplace soke, turkey.. below is a biwheel with karlov on the inside and altintas on the outside.. both are set to noon in the absence of a specific birth time.. what strikes me about the 2 charts is the pronounced mars-pluto contacts in both charts - opposition in altintas chart, while a square in karlov's, while they overlap in the biwheel chart.. mars-pluto hard contacts have a propensity to violence, either being the victim or the one giving it out.. on another note, another 14 turkish soldiers have died at al bab, as part of the Euphrates shield operation today.. post images Quote Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:06 am
30 by Vicki In time to come I intend to post about the 1993 Uranus/Neptune conjunction this assassin was born under. This conj occurs every 171 years or so. Everyone born between 1991 ? 1995 may have been having a difficult time with this conj depending on where it is in their chart. This conjunction on a global basis heralded the Internet and High Tech revolution. However it has had a disturbing effect on certain vulnerable people leading to psychosis and deranged behaviour. These individuals are now in their 20s and I have thought for a long time that those fighting for Daesh are under the influence of this conj. They are vulnerable to the brainwashing which accompanies extreme religious beliefs and capable of the most heinous and monstrous acts. This assassin had the conjunction in his chart as follows :- Neptune 22 Capricorn 29 Uranus 25 Capricorn 13 Now note the tragic connection with Andrei Karlov?s chart. His nodal axis was at 23 Capricorn/Cancer 56 falling between the assassin?s Neptune/Uranus conj. The Uranus/Neptune 1993 conj squared the degrees of the exaltation and fall of Saturn, which according to Diana Rosenberg can bring out the best and worst in humanity. In addition to this, Andrei Karlov?s South node directed to 26 Virgo 48 on the day of his murder within 7 arc minutes of the star Labrum ? indicative of a catastrophic event. In the absence as usual of any birth times we can at least look to the nodal axis ! Quote Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:04 am
31 by james_m hi vicki, thanks for your feedback! indeed we can look at the nodal axis and a lot more, in spite of no specific time of day for karlov's birth time.. one could also say that karlov was more susceptible to uranus/neptune influence as his nodal axis natally 22 cap/cancer is highlighted by uranus on the south node, while neptune squares both ends! it is interesting what you say about the uranus/neptune conjunction.. can you look at it removing the position of saturn from this conjunction? i think you can, in spite of how saturn was an ongoing part of the duo for much of the time of the conjunction.. as for this generation and the advent of the popularity of the internet and technology, i suppose... what do you use to define the industrial revolution astrologically? if one takes approx 1820 as the starting area - again we see uranus/neptune in a conjunction position, but in sag.. i don't want to get too removed from the topic of turkey here, so it is best to reply with a new thread on this topic of uranus/neptune.. i am interested to read your comments on the conjunction! indeed many of these young ''moderate headchoppers'' may be born within this time frame of the uranus/neptune conjunction, regardless of there country of origin.. Quote Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:19 am
32 by james_m i mentioned the nightclub attack in istanbul on jan 1st in a thread fleur started here earlier today - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9379 i follow turkey news and i see the country descending into more fear and angst, thanks to a confluence of events... the solar arc directions, in particular the mars/ascendant square directed to natal pluto here speak loudly of the terrorist events that have happened the past year with an obvious question on the timing of when it will end.. today it was announced that the leader of the opposition has been issued a warning of a potential attack on him - http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=338 the leader of the opposition - Kemal K?l??daro?lu, has said a few challenging things in a write up on him also found in today's hurriyet news found here.. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/akp-go ... sCatID=338 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemal_K%C ... ro%C4%9Flu below is a noon chart set for his birthplace.. i note with concern the transiting pluto in the vicinity of his natal mars.. but without more info on his chart, there is very little to go on.. t saturn is doing a transit over his natal sun/mercury this year as well... reading a number of opinion and hews pieces in the paper today, it is clear turkey is in a state of turmoil with no obvious end in sight. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ hopefully my html code worked here in this post.. didn't work.. oh well.. long urls are a result.. upload image free Quote Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:45 am
33 by james_m turkey referendum on a presidential system where one man - erdogan - rules, and etc. etc.. happens on april 16th 2017.. it is coming at a time that erdogan is pushing for a trip by his armed forces as part of the ongoing operation euphrates shield which began on the mars/saturn conjunction some time ago.. i am not sure where i have that chart posted on skyscript... here is a noon chart for april 16 2017 referendum date... astro thoughts anyone? free photo hosting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_m ... n_in_Syria relevant reading material from today for anyone interested.. https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2017/03/ ... ith-trump/ Quote Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:32 am
34 by Breeze Hello from Turkey forum, james_m I have just seen the thread, and I have just read it. I also had a quick look for the one you posted back in 2012. I am studying horary. So, I am not be able to make further comments as a member living in Turkey as you said on your post However, I have also read that you wished you spoke Turkish so that you cld. Have further data when needed. I will be happy to help you with this Cheers Breeze Quote Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:20 pm
35 by james_m hi breeze, any help in finding birth times, or being made aware of birth data on some of the leading characters in turkey politically speaking would be very helpful! erdogan would be a good first place to start... does anyone have any birth data for him, other then the day chart everyone has to work with? etc. etc. thanks.. Quote Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:11 pm
36 by Breeze Well... I have had a search on the internet, and only data I can forward you is from ?ner D??er where he has rectified birth time for Erdogan as 4.08 a.m. But he says he has doubts with the rectification ( he does not say why ) , and that he wld only look at the aspects with that chart. Here is the link; http://www.onerdoser.com/makaleler/darb ... asi-ii-186 I should tell you that, birth day and birth time are not great imporance to parents here, mainly in back old days and mostly in small towns and in villages where babies were delivered at home by midwives. Parents wld. remember their kids' birthdays by things like related to soil or weather- they wld say his kid was worn at wheat time - and so on... And they wld. just simply choose any day for identification cards of their kids. So, any birthday datas from this land, let birth hour alone - even the birth day shd be invastigated by great care. Cheers Breeze Quote Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:02 pm