In the spirit of astrological eclecticism I include an article on the EU referendum using Indian astrology by Anil Aggarwala

http://www.astrodocanil.com/2016/05/bri ... nomy-fall/

I like the fact he uses the UK 1927 chart. In my view its just as revealing at the 1801 chart which most British astrologers use.

But I find the actual analysis way too apocalyptic for my taste. Mr Aggarwala seems more emphatic about impending disasters of every kind for the UK than he is on the actual outcome of the referendum. Although he seems to indicate a Brexit is more likely because it more easily fits his prediction of impending disaster for the UK.

I note he uses an opinion poll indicating a slight edge to Leave. Actually, while online polls show the Remain and Leave Campaigns are neck and neck telephone polling has always indicated the Remain Campaign is way ahead. Polling experts cannot agree why this is happening.

Historically, bookmakers are more reliable than opinion polls. These have the Leave campaign at 7/2 odds or only a 22% likely outcome.

The Remain campaign have been relentlessly emphasizing the potential threat to the UK economy, jobs and incomes Brexit could pose. Its also been claimed the UK could take years to agree its own Trade agreements and face tariffs putting up costs in the meantime. In contrast the Leave campaign are focusing on the effects of uncontrolled EU immigration, the costs of EU membership and the bureacratic and undemocratic nature of the EU.

Both campaigns have been accused of massively exagerrating their case and indulging in blatant propaganda.

There is no doubt the strong suit of the Remain camppaign is the economic case. Domestically the Bank of England and CBI (Confederation of British Industry) have supported the Remain case while a host of International organizations have expressed concern about a potential Brexit such as the IMF, OECD, World Bank, G7 as well as governments leaders across the EU and the US President Barack Obama.

Critics of this view argue these organizations have previously offered wildly inaccurate economic forecasts in the past. Left wing supporters of Brexit also suggest that corporate global interests prefer to see governments like the UK herded into agreements like TPIP in one block with the rest of the EU.

If I was just looking at this politically I would tend to the view that the UK would remain in the EU. People tend to go with the status quo when they are uncertain or scared of the future.

Still, despite the poor betting odds the astrology leads me elsewhere towards a Brexit. If I am wrong i guess I will need to overhaul my techniques!

Mark

There is one little problem with Agarwal's analysis- the moon is 30 min ahead in his chart of UK- he forgot to apply the summertime.That is why the ascendant is way-off.
Finally,he relies heavily on mars' sub-sub period and the planet being in 8th.
With the actual horoscope- it is the Saturn-Ketu-Sun period and sun is the 10th lord in 5th in vargottam navamsha.
He uses Lahiri ayanamsha.

PD

Pankajdubey wrote:

There is one little problem with Agarwal's analysis- the moon is 30 min ahead in his chart of UK- he forgot to apply the summertime.That is why the ascendant is way-off.
Finally,he relies heavily on mars' sub-sub period and the planet being in 8th.
With the actual horoscope- it is the Saturn-Ketu-Sun period and sun is the 10th lord in 5th in vargottam navamsha.
He uses Lahiri ayanamsha. PD

Thanks Pankajdubey,

I missed that. Rather embarrasing for Mr Aggarwala.

I wonder if anyone has pointed out his error to him?

Since Mr Aggarwala's analysis appears to be invalid would you be willing to unpack what you think this chart (or any other chart) is showing for the UK from a Jyotish angle?

Mark

Somehow, sidereal virgo appears to be prominent , it is the ascendant in Rome treaty,EEC and UK joining EEC charts.

I am not sure what 1927 chart has to do with EU.

Pankajdubey wrote:

Somehow, sidereal virgo appears to be prominent , it is the ascendant in Rome treaty,EEC and UK joining EEC charts.

So does this connection lead you to the view that the UK will favour continuity with these charts ie remaining in the EU?

Pankajdubey wrote:

I am not sure what 1927 chart has to do with EU.

Nothing specifically. But this is a major issue for the future of the United Kingdom. So it seems reasonable to expect to see such a dramatic issue to be reflected in a national chart (whether 1066, 1801 or 1927). Especially, if the UK ends up exiting the EU.

Mark

I've had a fairly active role in this issue. I'm not going to make any predictions here as sport is my personal arena. However, i do note that the charts i've been studying all have a rather interesting Moon placement.

Lisbon Treaty 12:00pm 13.12.2007, Lisbon. Moon 03?Aqu39'
Treaty of Rome 18:30 CET, 25.3.1957, Rome - Moon 02?Aqu34'
Opening Polls 07.00am 23.6.2016, local, - Moon - 05?Aqu22'
even my own horary "Will UK leave Eu'? had Moon at 02?Aqu46'

It would be interesting to think that the grand cross of 21st April 2014, where we heard all about the 'restructuring', 'breaking down' renewal' etc..of the political system was triggered by the Moon squaring the Sun on 22nd April 2014 - that's right folks - at 02?Aqu06'!

I have my fingers crossed that the UK does leave the eu, but my feeling is that the government will engineer the result to suit.

marjorie orr seems to lean towards no brexit... her astrology is scattered around under a search at her site for brexit..
the main post focuses on camerons chart being upbeat at the time of june 23rd...
here is the general link to brexit search -

http://star4cast.ca/?s=brexit

and the more specific brexit / cameron post -

http://star4cast.ca/brexit-cameron-look ... e-june-23/

Thanks James,

Good idea of hers to look more widely at other nativities.

Although like most mods her analysis fixates on outer planet transits. Most modern astrologers would probably concur with her about Cameron. But her analysis seems a bit one sided to me. What about that Pluto square to his Sun? She also ignores his tough solar arcs. She also seems to ignore Johnson has a Jupiter-Jupiter trine all through the campaign!

I am coming from these charts differently as I give a lot of emphasis to profections, then solar returns and only then look at activated transits to activated planets.

Still, i would have to concede I dont feel as confident in predicting here as I did on the Scottish referendum. The astrological indicators do seem more contradictory to me.

Anyway, I will post up more of my own rationale based on natal charts and UK national charts.

Mark

james_m wrote:
it seems the question over whether saturn or mars is the lord of the year for the 2016 ingress was not universal.. would anyone like to add to the discussion on this? i think all of it is relevant to the issue on the uk for 2016...

Thanks for the reminder. Looking back at Goran's remarks in the context of the present situation with Brexit and his nomination of Saturn as LOY was interesting particularly the bit about assassination. I do not think that would play out literally but one Conservative MP has openly and extraordinarily called for a metaphorical stabbing of his own leader and Chancellor

In a later post someone suggests looking at the relevant natal charts of Cameron and Boris Johnson to see if they would reflect the outcome of the referendum but I am not sure this would work. There is a suggestion that Cameron would be ousted by his own side even if the Remain camp prevailed. Perhaps the people would protest if they felt the poll was fixed

Matthew

Hi Matthew,

Thanks. Any thoughts on the outcome of the referendum yourself?

Mark

Mark wrote:Hi Mathew,

Thanks. Any thoughts on the outcome of the referendum yourself?

Mark

Hi Mark - It is certainly a subject that I have been thinking about and I shall look again at the Astrology . In my opinion the question is best asked by looking at it from a Eurocentric view rather than from the UK

the UK may be a nuisance hovering on the western fringe but money talks and I gather that after Germany the UK is the only nation that pays in more than it takes out. The question is one of shall the EU lose a major ally in an act of rebellion albeit a democratic one

Looking at it from a shall the UK leave point of view reminds the mythical Times headline " Fog in the Channel - continent isolated"

Hi Matthew,

Looking at it from a shall the UK leave point of view reminds the mythical Times headline " Fog in the Channel - continent isolated

Great quote. Apparently it was a real headline! It was a headline in The Times on 22 October, 1957, when air and sea traffic in the English Channel was temporarily shut down. This seemed unfortunate not because it cut Britain off from Europe ? but because it cut Europe off from Britain!

I take your point about a wider EU perspective. But the institution is struggling with various crises such as migrant problem and the increasingly right wing governments in eastern Europe such as Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. How do we separate out a possible UK Brexit?

Still, I think this would be by far the biggest set back for the EU in its entire history.

More practically, which of the various charts for Europe do we use? I favour the 1993 chart as I think the supra-national political aspirations of the EU have only become explicit since then.

Mark