.. i get the data from astrodatabank which is usually pretty reliable..

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maduro,_Nicolas

in the source notes you can read it all...

Of course. And you can notice that Venezuelan charts are provided to Astrodatabank by a Venezuelan astrologer named Eduardo Castellanos (I gave a link to his blog). And as you said one can read it all in notes: a birth certificate shown on tv + Maduro personally gave him another time, as the time given to him by his mother.
Well, I personally prefer the mom's time given by Maduro to Castellanos (Asc in Taurus). First of all, because anything could happen with the birth certificate (especially given that the context of its publication was controversial), but mum won't be 4 hours wrong. I do trust mums.
Secondly, because of his personality and appearance: a somewhat dark skin complexion, a huge fancy for the army, eternal martial stance, etc fit Venus in Scorpio way better than Jupiter in Pisces. Not to say that Jupiter in Pisces as an Asc ruler would him a certain charisma and popularity he desperately lacks.

i slightly favour the 1015am time

I have an UPD: it's definitely 10:45 AM. Time given by Guaido's wife to local press: "Juan Guaidó was born at 10:45 a.m. on July 28, 1983" https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... ed-guaido/ If it's of any interest to you, you also have her exact time too. (Venezuelans look to be *really* into astrology to specify such details in press articles).

I'm OK with 10:45.

thanks mari! that article was a good score! what is an UPD?

that is a good article and quite fascinating how they have provided the details on the times of both of them!

here is a good article on juan guaido..

https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/29/ ... up-leader/

quite fascinating how they have provided the details on the times of both of them!

Venezuelans seem pretty much into astrology, numerology and all kinds of predictions. When I was looking for the birth data, I've seen lots of local press publications - not the most serious ones of course, but still - on it. Also remember than we have Chavez time from an astrologer who claims to have this data from the time when Chavez contacted her after his first failed coup to get him out of trouble. Also Chavez calling his mum on TV live to ask her for the time because there was a question from audience. And so on. (that's one of the reasons why I prefer the time Maduro gave himself for a consultation, as they take it seriously he surely gave the time he himself thought was the most reliable)

both give this as a 12th house profection year - so mercury and the position of mercury is very important... as it happens if the times are close - 1015am or 1045am - this puts virgo on the descendant which is not as favourable for this year...

Now, I had a minute to take a look at his solar return.
I may be wrong, but it seems to me that when judging annual profections, you just take the lord of the domicile and forget all the rest.

So the annual profection of Asc is in Virgo, which gives us Mercury and Venus as time lords (Venus is in Virgo in both in radix and in the return chart).

Importantly, Venus is the ruler of the natal Asc. In radix Venus has its - and +. -: Venus doesn't aspect neither Asc, nor its ruler Mercury, not good at all. Besides, Venus is in the 12th house, which is both weak accidentally and not cool for life. BUT Venus is in its term and triplicity, which is fine, she is aspected by Mars in the 10th (even with a sort of weak mutual reception by triplicity if you consider Mars as being a participative ruler of the Earth triplicity), by Jupiter and by Moon.

Now, if we suppose that the Asc of the solar revolution chart is really in Pisces (I usually consider the charts of revolution only when I know where the person was, but let's make an exception and consider he was somewhere near), that makes Venus even more important, as she co-rules the Asc of the solar revolution chart.

The solar revolution Venus keeps important natal features: Venus is in the same sign, Venus keeps some essential dignities, but instead it gets rid of some of its natal problems: this time Venus is angular and aspects the Asc, which is very good.

The rest is pretty clear: MC of the solar revolution is in Sag. A strong Jupiter in Sag rules the natal MC by exaltation (as well as almost all of his radix by disposition). This Jupiter made its revolution in Nov 2018. That coincides more or a less with Guaido's rapid gain in visibility.
On Jan 8 Venus entered Sag, then passed through the natal Jupiter, then started its course into conjunction -> the chart of his oath on Jan 23, where we again see this Venus carried by the strong Jupiter. And again, in the oath chart Venus rules the Asc.

mari,

if you read william lillys book 2 - christian astrology, or ben dykes translations - in particular book 3 of persian nativities, you will see that profections were used to inform in a number of ways.. one of them is via the profected ascendant and whether it lands is in the 6th, 8th or 12th for the year... all these houses are considered unhelpful.. the 1st and 10th houses are considered fortuitous... he was elected to his present role in the national assembly in 2015 when the profection ascendant was gemini - 9th house.. at present i believe guaido has had his assets frozen and not allowed to leave the country... that sounds more 12th house dynamic here than not.. i have much more to say, but i am getting my thoughts in order before i comment on the charts.. cheers james

if you read william lillys book 2 - christian astrology, or ben dykes translations - in particular book 3 of persian nativities, you will see that profections were used to inform in a number of ways

Thank you, James. I have read Abu Mash'ar in Dykes translation and Valens (in both translations), which means that I have my idea of of the ways to use annual profections.
And the fact I have read Abu Mash'ar and Valens is precisely the original reason why I do not use the annual profections merely as a moving point ruled by one planet.

Anyway, I haven't omitted in my message the problem of Virgo being in the natal 12 house. Just as I pointed out its angularity in the solar return chart.

As to how the the 12th house topics play out (given that a co-ruler of the natal Asc is in it), I just thought that it was anyway obvious to anyone to speak about them in length. Starting with the fact the Guaido lives in a place kept secret, basically hiding himself when he is not on a public meeting, his brief arrest, etc.

great! then you will know that the profection lord has relevance and the place of the profection ascendant back to the natal chart has relevance too! i got a different impression reading your comments...

juan guaido has an opinion piece in the nyt.. i note his use of the word bloodshed... this highlights what i think is an important feature of guaidos chart - his natal mars... it is the planet rising before the sun, so a lead indicator of sorts, and often times a vocational indicator... the fact it is opposed directly by pluto in the solar revolution in combination with the fact he has a mars/pluto square natally, highlights to me this persons receptivity to violence as a means of getting results... i might view it differently if his mars was in a different sign, or not set up as the malefic of the opposite sect and etc. etc., but i do believe this person is quite okay using the suggestion of violence or bloodshed as a means to an end...

my other comments will be coming soon enough!@

Opinion
Juan Guaidó: Venezuelans, Strength Is in Unity

To end the Maduro regime with the minimum of bloodshed, we need the support of pro-democratic governments, institutions and individuals the world over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/30/opin ... ule=inline

then you will know that the profection lord has relevance and the place of the profection ascendant back to the natal chart has relevance too! i got a different impression reading your comments...

I don't see where and how I gave you an impression that I don't know that the lord of the domicile of the profected sign doesn't have relevance. This gets somewhat ridiculous.

Mari wrote:

then you will know that the profection lord has relevance and the place of the profection ascendant back to the natal chart has relevance too! i got a different impression reading your comments...

I don't see where and how I gave you an impression that I don't know that the lord of the domicile of the profected sign doesn't have relevance. This gets somewhat ridiculous.

Mari wrote: I may be wrong, but it seems to me that when judging annual profections, you just take the lord of the domicile and forget all the rest.

there you have it mari.... perhaps you forgot you said this? ps - i am pointing out 2 things, not one.. you only acknowledge the 1..

there you have it mari.... perhaps you forgot you said this?

No. What I noticed is that

you just take the lord of the domicile and forget all the rest

Which is your right if it is so. Mind I was polite not to suppose that you may not know any other aspects of the technique, I didn't even think that it could be so. I only supposed that in your practice you may find it useful to judge mainly the domicile ruler, why not? I also said that my observation may be erroneous, why not too? And I said it, as can be seen from the context, only to introduce my own analysis that goes beyond it and uses more factors (just as it is advised by Abu Mash'ar whose book you proposed me to read).

How can it possibly mean that "that I don't know that the lord of the domicile of the profected sign doesn't have relevance"?

maybe you'd like to talk astrology instead??

Well, anyway...Now that we both know that we both know everything we both must know... We can also put this misunderstanding aside and go on with the main subject which is the crisis in Venezuela.