I'm not sure if I made one of my points clear in the last post: that charts at the last degs do not necessarily mean 'non-radical' in that the result gets moved away from the AC(favouring underdogs as you said). If the AC and the LOH agree, I still think the chart is 'radical'; it's just I feel it's not safe to judge it.

Well having said all that, I'm not sure at all any more... Maybe it can move the result away from the AC... I don't know....(not enough evidence so far as Ficina said). Shouldn't be really thinking aloud here, I suppose(sorry).

Just can't wait to get a peek at the Final chart. It'll probably be played at 19:45 BST, won't it??

I just did it!

Final CL
21 May 2008 10:45 pm Moscow, ASC=12:55Sag

Because match is on neutral graund I would asign DSC to Chelsea, because London is ruled by Ge (Chelsea are from London).

ASC=MU
DSC=Chelsea

Ruler of MU is Ju rx is peregrine, in fall in sucedent house, on fatefull degree, with ruler of MC on most unfortunate fixed star Algol. Moon is in first house, but Pl also...Ju= -6

Ruler of Chelsea is Me in its own sign in angular house. Moon will opose Me. Me= 21

I think Chelsea will be winner.

I haven't looked at the chart yet but I agree Man U get the AC.
Also just want to point out that Mercury is slow whereas Jupiter is in normal speed. A slow planet like Saturn being slow doesn't change the expression of the planet very much but the impatient, quick planet like Mercury can get affected.

My free astroprogram Astrowin listed both Me and Ju slow speed and for Ju it is 0deg02 for Me it is 0deg21. What you get in your program?

Do you mean Me and Ju, or Ju and Me?

In my opinion neither of You are slow of speed. There is still 3 weeks until the match gets played!!

I'm a little bit slow, though... Probably Saturn... Will get round to the chart in due time. Excuse my sense of humour. Nice show!

Andrew, I love your wordplay

Goca, you're right. Jupiter is slow too.

Here is chart for CL final match:

After loading chart I just saw one more testimony for DSC team according to JF and that is Pl opose POF!

Good of Goca to put up the chart. I'll study the chart at the weekend.

Gem wrote: I agree Man U get the AC.

I should have added: if they retain the Premiership title.

Manchester United - Chelsea, 18.45 GMT Moscow
Odds: 2,45 3,00 3,10
Asc 12SG55 MC 20LI10 Moon 19SG31 POF/POS 1CN21
The game is played on the Day of Mercury and in the hour of Venus. The Lord of the ascendant consents with the lady of the ascendant, since they share similar powers, ie warm and moist, and this agreement means that the chart may be managed by Venus, who is control planet. The lady of the hour and lord of the asc are also in the same triplicity, so the chart is proven radical on two terms.

The lady of the hour, who is the control planet, rules the MC. She is conjunct Algol and represents the Crown they are contesting for.The lord of the asc, Jupiter, consents with Venus, L10. The Moon, the ruling light and queen of the night, is in her own face, disposes both Jupiter and Venus by triplicity, is in the 1st house and is dispositor of POF/POS and Almuten of Venus, who is L10, LHr and control planet. She beholds the MC by sextile. Her dexter aspect to the MC is more powerful than Mercury's sinister trine. Saturn, disposing the MC by exaltation is sextile POF/POS.

The condition of Mercury, L7, is impressive - but the virtue of all significant places are gathered by the Moon, who by the way also is SLOW, but who is strong by light.

I'm going to give the matter another think. There is always the draw, but Venus and Jupiter in the Earthy triplicity are disposed be the Moon by night, and according to these positions I still think it is the 1st house and ManU that collects.

Thanks for putting the chart up, Goca. I'm really tempted to go back to the good old days when Moon in 1st always meant the Asc team would win and Moon opp Mercury (L7) merely indicated that the Desc team would score.

I'd also give Asc to ManU since they are marginal faves at the moment, although this could change nearer the time of course. Colour method backs this up - Jupiter/red.

That's it for the time being. I should probably leave this alone anyway because it's difficult for me to be impartial whenever Chelsea are involved

Goca wrote:After loading chart I just saw one more testimony for DSC team according to JF and that is Pl opose POF!

It'll have no effects as it's separating.

The AC team looks better and at this moment in time, it looks likely that ManU can get the AC.