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It is possible that Queen, Elizabeth II abdicates in late December 2021, no later than April 20 2022

I am continuing with this exercise. This is the second attempt to see if we can reduce the time frame (until 20 April 2022). The second date I found out is 25.12.2021 at 14:16:12. I do not want to explain which technique I use to determine this date, because I have not yet published anything about this new technique, instead, investigate/check this date with other techniques to see if it is a possible option.

The last lunar phase before this date :

19.12.2021 4:35:26 GMT 3°24'47"Gem Full Moon

I take the last lunar phase as a transit and compare it with Charles' birth time.

I would like to show the planetary pictures from two perspectives.

First important planetary pictures :

Harmonic 16

t Asc/JU = t UR = r Asc/JU = r JU/UR (suddenly lucky).

Jupiter is the MC ruler.

t NE = r SU/VE (separation from a female).




Second important planetary pictures :

Harmonic 16

t SU/MO = r SU/MO = r MC

t VE/NE = t ME = r SU (I take Mercury as 4th house Libra ruler) Separation from a female person, here this is mother.

t VE = t MN = r NE = r MO/SA (separation from mother)

t WI/SU = r WI/SU = r MO/MN = r VE/NE




Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) on 25.12.2021 at 14:16:12

p VE = p MA/SA = r MA/SA = r MO/NE = r UR

Anne, Princess of England

15 August 1950 at 11:50 (= 11:50 AM )London, England, 51n30, 0w10

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/An ... cess_Royal

The last lunar phase as transit before 25.12.2021 at 14:16:12

19.12.2021 4:35:26 GMT 3°24'47"Gem Full Moon

Harmonic 256

t SU/MO = r SU = r MO/VE

t SU/MO = 0° 7' 55''
r SU = 0° 50' 06'' - 0° 42' 11'' = 0° 7' 55''
r MO/VE = 0° 7' 59''

t VE = r MA = r UR
t MA = t UR = r VE

Moon and Venus represent the mother.

I would like to show Elizabeth's lunar return on 23.12.2021 here, because it is quite interesting.

Lunar Return (Harmonic 16)

SU/NE = SA (body debilitated by disease)

JU/ZE = SA (part from created ones)

I don't quite see the point of looking at a harmonic of the lunar return rather than the lunar itself. The Queen's lunar return of December 23 is of course, her Christmas holiday lunar. Looking at this chart from the viewpoint of emphasizing planets near the angles (Fagan school approach), this lunar doesn't look remarkable in any way. Virgo rises (the Queen's 10th house natal sign), with Mercury on the 7th cusp. Natal Mercury and Sun are in the 4th house. Natal Mercury is in the star of Saturn which is well placed in Elizabeth's 11th house.

This looks to me like a normal family holiday chart, socializing and short trips (Mercury) such as travel between Windsor castle and Sandringham, the royal family's eastern England estate where Elizabeth plans to spend Christmas. The natal 10th house Virgo ascendant may simply reflect the public reports of the Queens activities which the British public enjoys.



There are no planets close to the 6th cusp (illness) or the 8th (serious health problems or dire circumstances). Lunar lord Mercury is transiting a star of Venus which is not placed in a significant position in Elizabeth's natal chart. The lunar Part of Fortune is in the degree of natal Jupiter, which should be a positive note for this return period.

I generally don't work much with lunar returns, but his return doesn't look especially significant to me. The Moon itself is placed in the benefic 11th house.

Using conjunctions and oppositions crossings to the Vertex with Return Charts mundanely measured in azimuth, the Queen calculates an “outstanding incident??? Jan 19 2022 Sidereal Lunar Return (SLR). She has her Moon partile 180 Saturn (“outstanding incident??? Moon-Saturn) with Saturn in azimuth 90,39; mundo 180 her SLR Vertex and Moon. With her SLR Mars angular partile 135 SLR Uranus and using the Vertex to symbolize “fated??? events, I would guess this SLR will be a time of health crises in her life.

Queen’s 1/19/2022 SLR:
https://ibb.co/Kr8rQyL

I didn't write that you look at lunar with harmonics. You can look where you want.

I want to record this because it shows why astrologers think they already know everything and don't do any research. Hearing this from an astrologer who is supposedly research-oriented makes things even sadder. Thank God some astrologers were not like you and they left us very important groundwork so that we can continue to build. But it has also become clear to me that we have totally different ideas about "astrological research".

In all research, including astrology, if you haven't discovered point A, you can't discover point B, let alone point C. You cannot discover point C from point A until you have discovered point B.

In research, one has to turn over every stone. One should not discourage the people who can do it.

I will next look at Charles' lunar return on 14 December 2021. I'm sure it looks like a normal family holiday too.

Therese Hamilton wrote:I don't quite see the point of looking at a harmonic of the lunar return rather than the lunar itself. The Queen's lunar return of December 23 is of course, her Christmas holiday lunar. Looking at this chart from the viewpoint of emphasizing planets near the angles (Fagan school approach), this lunar doesn't look remarkable in any way. Virgo rises (the Queen's 10th house natal sign), with Mercury on the 7th cusp. Natal Mercury and Sun are in the 4th house. Natal Mercury is in the star of Saturn which is well placed in Elizabeth's 11th house.

This looks to me like a normal family holiday chart, socializing and short trips (Mercury) such as travel between Windsor castle and Sandringham, the royal family's eastern England estate where Elizabeth plans to spend Christmas. The natal 10th house Virgo ascendant may simply reflect the public reports of the Queens activities which the British public enjoys.

There are no planets close to the 6th cusp (illness) or the 8th (serious health problems or dire circumstances). Lunar lord Mercury is transiting a star of Venus which is not placed in a significant position in Elizabeth's natal chart. The lunar Part of Fortune is in the degree of natal Jupiter, which should be a positive note for this return period.

I generally don't work much with lunar returns, but his return doesn't look especially significant to me. The Moon itself is placed in the benefic 11th house.

Charles, Prince of Wales

14 November 1948 at 21:14 (= 9:14 PM )London, England, 51n30, 0w10

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ch ... e_of_Wales

Lunar Return on 14 December 2021 (Harmonic 256)

MO = MA/SA : depressing vicissitudes in the work (Rulebook for planetary pictures, edition 1959)

JU/UR = VE/NE = NE/MN One can also translate this planetary picture in this way : Be happy about the separation from a female person.

Then everything looks like a normal family holiday.

SteveS wrote:

Using conjunctions and oppositions crossings to the Vertex with Return Charts mundanely measured in azimuth, the Queen calculates an “outstanding incident??? Jan 19 2022 Sidereal Lunar Return (SLR). She has her Moon partile 180 Saturn (“outstanding incident??? Moon-Saturn) with Saturn in azimuth 90,39; mundo 180 her SLR Vertex and Moon. With her SLR Mars angular partile 135 SLR Uranus and using the Vertex to symbolize “fated??? events, I would guess this SLR will be a time of health crises in her life.

In the zodiac Mars on the ascendant is square natal Uranus at the nadir. Transiting Saturn opposite the Moon isn't in a significant position as zodiacal angles are usually computed.

Krishnamurti:
5 Sag 59 Asc
2 Sag 07 Mars
4 Psc 38 Uranus natal (4th equal cusp)
4 Sco 30 Ketu cusp 12 trine natal Uranus (significant Jyotish aspect)

So I would expect radix Uranus to be activated during this lunar return period. This would likely be a Saturn related event since Uranus is in a lunar mansion of Saturn, and transiting Saturn is partile opposite the Moon. Also transiting Ketu (in a Saturn mansion) is conjunct natal MC (2 Sco 49) and Saturn (1 Sco 43) on cusp 12 of the lunar. A Saturn event or circumstance for sure for this lunar return with Uranus as the point being activated, transiting Mars as stimulus.

I just noticed that Lunar Sun is on the 2nd house cusp, sextile natal Uranus. So another aspect to natal Uranus. Are we talking about a 2nd house event since Saturn-ruled Capricorn is Elizabeth's 2nd house sign? Then Saturn is also lord of 3rd, co-ruled by Uranus in new astrological thinking. So Saturn-Uranus, 2nd and 3rd house topics. Radix Sun is on the Lunar 5th cusp, so I don't think this Saturn event will necessarily be unfortunate.



So far two different ways of looking at Elizabeth's 19 January 2022 lunar return. Will Linchi give a third?

Examples of Vertex related symbolism in return charts are few and far between, so I only present this Vertex related Moon-Saturn aspect of Elizabeth’s Jan 19 SLR as a possibility for a major health crises. I am mainly looking at Donald Bradley’s SLRs teachings where he states:

Lunar returns, while more powerful in immediate effect, are subservient to the preceding solar return. Therefore, we must look to the lunar returns for proof that lunar returns usually “time??? the major occurrences foreshadowed in the solar return chart.

Below is the Queen’s Mundo Sidereal Solar Return chart the way Bradley calculated em:

https://ibb.co/NnFL3wz

Since the Solar Moon with its mundo aspects were considered very important to weigh with the Western Siderealists, along with angular planets, Bradley would note the main angular theme in the Queen’s Mundo Sidereal Solar Return was Pluto, along with the partile Mundo Moon-Saturn 180. Bradley would then look for major Moon-Saturn aspect symbolism in a SLR to “time the major occurrences foreshadowed in the solar return chart.???

Time will soon tell if Bradley’s Return’s methodology with the Queen’s Jan 19 Vertex Moon-Saturn aspect will “time??? a significant Moon-Saturn event. It matters not to me whose methodology is correct in timing an “outstanding incident??? for a native, only if the timing is correct beforehand. I certainly would not bet the house on Bradley’s methodology above for a major health event in the Queen’s life. I only present this methodology as a possible timing method.
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SteveS wrote:

Below is the Queen’s Mundo Sidereal Solar Return chart the way Bradley calculated em:

Do we have a reference by Bradley where we can read about this way of calculating solar returns? (I know that Jim Eshelman favors these charts, but I would like to see a Bradley quote.) I'm interested because the only book I have by Donald Bradley on solar returns---Solar and Lunar Returns: How They Affect You, (Llewellyn Publications, 1968) has all the chart illustrations in the standard zodiac wheel with houses, house cusps and planets in houses.

My impression has been that the emphasis on Mundo charts is fairly recent, mostly preferred by Jim Eshelman and those who follow his teaching.

Therese Hamilton wrote: The lunar Part of Fortune is in the degree of natal Jupiter, which should be a positive note for this return period.

I assume you know what "Part of Fortune" is.

I write here what "Part of Fortune" is.

X/MO = Asc/SU in this planetary picture X is "Part of Fortune" for the night charts .
I have shown mathematical equations below.

That is, whether part of fortune is positive or negative depends on Asc, Moon and Sun positions. If they are negative, as I show below, then part of fortune cannot be positive.

They are not positive planetary pictures.

lunar Asc = r MO/SA (black)
lunar SU = r UR (green)
lunar MO = lunar SA = lunar UR (red)

Richard Houck in his book "The Astrology of Death" (German edition, p.143) referred to "Part of Fortune" as "Part of Unfortune" because it played a major role in the death horoscopes.




For day charts :

PoF = Asc+ MO – SU
=
PoF + SU = Asc + MO
=
PoF/SU = Asc/MO

For night charts :

PoF = Asc+ SU – MO
=
PoF + MO = Asc + SU
=
PoF/MO = Asc/SU

So far two different ways of looking at Elizabeth's 19 January 2022 lunar return. Will Linchi give a third?

Lunar Return on 23 December is not over yet. There are other techniques than lunar return for the time frame still to be explored.

Therese wrote:

My impression has been that the emphasis on Mundo charts is fairly recent, mostly preferred by Jim Eshelman and those who follow his teaching.

This is correct Therese. Jim has “revisited??? mundane aspects in the following

link: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4540

From my understanding Donald Bradley & Cyril Fagan discussed mundane aspects mainly in a few American Astrology articles between 1953-1970 which I have not seen/studied, but I could be mistaken. I will check with Jim on this issue. Fagan innovated the Mundoscope which Bradley endorsed but mainly its use was to determine the true orb location of a planet from the ASC or MC, mainly the ASC.

I mentioned Bradley’s Solar & Lunar Return methodology as a good TEST for the Queen’s current Solar Return using the mundane partile Moon-Saturn 180 aspect in her current Solar Return, as possibly signaling a significant health crises timed by her Jan 19 Lunar Return which features a partile Moon-Saturn 180.