37 by Labalance I just have to add that Sean Penn is a pretty controversial figure, despite the positive planetary placement! Quote Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:23 pm
38 by AlexMc I just have to add that Sean Penn is a pretty controversial figure, despite the positive planetary placement! Hi Labalance, This occurred to me too, and I wondered if the controversy reflected a planet in detriment. I looked it up and sure enough, IMO, it does. He has Venus in Virgo in a tight square to Mars in Gemini. Most of the poor perception revolved around his temper and often his fight for social causes. A few comments from http://www.blockbuster.com/online/catal ... onId=93741 After his media circus wedding to Madonna (1985)?. ?his run-ins with the paparazzi quickly became the stuff of legend, and the notoriety of his temper began to eclipse even his immense acting ability. His penchant for fisticuffs, combined with other civil infractions, ultimately resulted in a 30-day jail sentence? Though Bill O'Reilly demanded his viewers boycott any of Penn's future films (2001) it appears his career has remained relatively unscathed. The Oscar (Mystic River, 2004) coupled with a standing ovation by the audience, showed once and for all that Penn's unorthodox approach to his acting career hadn't had an adverse effect on his popularity.? Interesting - its worth looking into for other controversial figures with over 3 or 4 planets in domicile Quote Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:44 am
39 by Papretis Alex wrote earlier in this discussion: Also, I am not aware that the debilitation gets cancelled, nor that the dispositor suffers, however Deb says, A planet in the exaltation of another may feel overwhelmed by their dispositor, or through contact with them may experience a personally exalted state. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig6.html I found the following paragraph from Ibn Ezra's "Beginning of Wisdom", which I'm currently studying, Chapter 7: Pleasantness (Recovery) is when a planet is in its pit or its inferior position [a foot note by Rob Hand: It is not clear from the Hebrew what kind of "inferior position" this is. It looks like opposition to the auge, but other texts suggest that he refers to the planet's fall in the sense of opposition to the exaltation. On the other hand it may be a generic term for debility.] and another planet is joining it, or it joins another planet, and that planet is its friend or the lord of its house, or it has [some other] dominion in that sign; the it will get it out of its pit or inferiority and comfort it. Recompensate is when that first planet which extricated the one out of its pit or debility is aspected by it, and [now] the extricating one fell into the pit or is in its debility; then that [other now rescued planet] will get it out. I would understand this means approximately the same as "cancellation of debilitation" in hindu astrology! So, if the ruler or exaltation ruler is joining the debilitated planet (by conjunction or by aspect, I suppose), it gets the debilitated planet out of its pit or inferiority. And even more, if they both are debilitated (like the Moon and Saturn in Mia Farrow's chart for example), then they rescue each other, if I got it right. Interesting... Quote Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:26 pm
40 by AlexMc Hi Papretis, Great find! Definitely sounds like Ibn Ezra's 'pleasantness' and 'recompensate' have some similarities to the jyotish neecha banga ? which is encouraging. Cher?s chart is another good example: Cancer asc with LoA (Moon) detrimented in Capricorn in 7th and L7 (Saturn, sig for husband) detrimented in Cancer in 1st = Sonny and Cher were a great husband-wife team, mutually helpful to each other. Though her detrimented Saturn had additional help from its exaltation ruler (Jupiter in Libra) which in turn aspected its exaltation ruler (Saturn). Seems to be an effective technique. Quote Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:28 am