Ficina wrote: Does this sort of thing happen very often do you know? I'd always thought that football odds were fixed until that Man Utd v Chelsea match, when ManU were initially marginal faves. Then came news of Mourinho's departure and the odds swung drastically in ManU's favour and they ended up odds on.

It does happen frequently with games where both team could win it, as such late team news will change the odds on favorites.

Last season odds for Arsenal fluctuates a lot, punters were waiting to see if Henry will be playing. This season is Liverpool's turn, due to Rafa Benitez's tinkering.

Time for another review I think. Has anyone come to any new conclusions?

I'm beginning to think that some of the testimonies that appeared to be working fairly consistently last season, are failing to produce the same results this season It's still difficult to keep track of what works and what doesn't. Conflicting testimonies will always be a problem I think.

And is there a missing factor that we've yet to discover?

beginning to think that some of the testimonies that appeared to be working fairly consistently last season, are failing to produce the same results this season

Particulary the Moon in the 10th!

I haven`t come to any new conclusions but as has been said before, I find one of the hardest things is to predict underdogs beating odds-on-faves. The latest example was the Bolton/ManU match. Using the colour method, Arsenal was also signified by Rx Mars and should have been beaten.

is there a missing factor that we've yet to discover?

Can be a single factor or a multitude of factors...

Particulary the Moon in the 10th!

Yes, and the Moon in 1st (Fulham v Blackburn yesterday).

Using the colour method, Arsenal was also signified by Rx Mars and should have been beaten.

That had occurred to me also, although unlike ManU, Arsenal did have home advantage. Two other Mars (red) teams that lost were Sunderland and Middlesbrough - one away, one at home, both underdogs. So I'm not sure where that gets us, apart from financially ahead in betting terms. A bet on all those four Mars teams to lose would have produced a profit.

Can be a single factor or a multitude of factors...

It's not easy, is it?