spirlhelix wrote:My sincere apologies for the unworkable example!
Okay, I think I got it this time.

This is the revised sample checklist for collection of light:

Sun 0 Gemini
Venus 1 Aries
Jupiter 5 Leo
Mars 10 Aries
Saturn 12 Cancer
Moon 12 Gemini
Mercury 29 Gemini

It shows no aspect between our significators, Sun and Venus.
There are no planets between them, so translation of light is out. Let's try for collection of light.

In collection of light, there will be two aspects that "link" our significators to a third, heavier (slower than both significators) planet. No perfect aspects to other planets can occur before aspects from both the significators have perfected.

Look down the list.

Can you find any planets which both Sun and Venus are applying to? A separating aspect can count too, as long the significator higher on the list is applying to an aspect with the collecting planet, while the other planet is separating from an aspect to the collecting planet. There must be no other planets which perfect an aspect with your significators or your collecting planet before the second aspect perfects.

So we want:

1) One significator above the collecting planet on the list.
2) The other significator either below or above the collecting planet on the list.
3) Each aspect to be within orb.
4) No other planets which will soon pefect an aspect to any of the three (2 significators and the collecting planet) listed between the two significators and the collecting planet.

Finally, in examining a real chart, we would want to consult an ephemeris or an aspectarian to make sure the aspects perfect with the timing we expect.

And is there collection of light in the example above? What do you think?

Pam

say Saturn in 1' Virgo and moon VOC in 28' Scorpio. It is a SQ, but some say moon is VOC because its not making the aspect within its sign. Its still a square though.

Lilly uses the out of sign aspects within the orbs. The Moon you gave in your example is not considered to be VOC because it's within the Moon's orbs.

I highly recommend Deb's superb, definiteve article on the VOC Moon: www.skyscript.co.uk/moon/2.html

Yes. This one is easy. Jupiter is being trined by Venus and sextiled by Sun by applying, dexter aspects. The other planets (Mars, and moon) are separating from aspects. Venus won't reach Mars in conjunction before she trines Jupiter and she has already passed her aspect to the Sun. Moon has passed all her aspects to our planets as well.

Gem wrote:

say Saturn in 1' Virgo and moon VOC in 28' Scorpio. It is a SQ, but some say moon is VOC because its not making the aspect within its sign. Its still a square though.

Lilly uses the out of sign aspects within the orbs. The Moon you gave in your example is not considered to be VOC because it's within the Moon's orbs.

I highly recommend Deb's superb, definiteve article on the VOC Moon: www.skyscript.co.uk/moon/2.html

Thanks much for the link. Deb has a wonderful site here. Its a goldmine of information. I hope I eventually get to it all.
Slight correction on Link: It is:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moon2.html

Best,
RC

spirlhelix wrote:

Hope you found it useful!

Gem, by the way, gave a sweet answer to your Moon VOC question. I second the motion on Deb's article.

Warmest Regards,

Pam

Yes, that little exercise was good practice.

In your example, to make it a little tougher, if Mercury had been in 2' Gemini, so that we had:

Sun 0 Gemini
Venus 1 Aries
Mercury 2 Gemini
Jupiter 5 Leo
Mars 10 Aries
Saturn 12 Cancer
Moon 12 Gemini

Then Mercury would probably catch Jupiter first since its faster than Venus and that would be interference or what you would properly call "prohibition" and would mean there would be no perfection of collection of the light between our sigs?

It reminds me of a game of tag or touch football. If Jupiter is touched first by one other than our sigs, here Mercury then it doesn't matter then that Venus tags Jupiter after Mercury did, its out?


RC

Then Mercury would probably catch Jupiter first since its faster than Venus and that would be interference or what you would properly call "prohibition" and would mean there would be no perfection of collection of the light between our sigs?

It reminds me of a game of tag or touch football. If Jupiter is touched first by one other than our sigs, here Mercury then it doesn't matter then that Venus tags Jupiter after Mercury did, its out?

spirlhelix wrote:Sun 0 Gemini
Venus 1 Aries
Mercury 2 Gemini
Jupiter 5 Leo
Mars 10 Aries
Saturn 12 Cancer
Moon 12 Gemini

Then Mercury would probably catch Jupiter first since its faster than Venus and that would be interference or what you would properly call "prohibition" and would mean there would be no perfection of collection of the light between our sigs?

Yes, that is precisely right.

Regards,

Pam

Is the fact that Venus does get there tho later, count for anything ? I realize this is a general hypothetical and we don't have a real case here in front of us, but I am wondering of what significance it is when such a thing happens. Is it that this querent tried to do a thing and someone got in their way and they were they were thereby cut off or prohibited in accomplishing the action? The fact that Venus is trying to reach Jupiter must show at least there was an attempt, some action of some sort.