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Anyone interested in the topic of temperament might find this very helpful:

http://www.academyofastrology.org/tradi ... ition1.pdf

One of the featured articles in this journal is entitled "Judging Temperament," written by Luis Ribeiro. This article is particularly noteworthy (and well worth reading) because it directly addresses a matter highlighted in Greenbaum's Temperament, i.e., the nativity of an English merchant and the critique of Lilly's method for judging the temperament of the native.

I am tempted to think that had I read the above article a couple of years ago, I might never have bought Greenbaum's book in the first place ... but that would have been a shame, since still it contains a great deal of valuable information.

Needless to say, Lilly's Moon phases are used throughout. Interestingly, Ribeiro notes that Venus is invariably reckoned as hot and moist (rather than cold and moist) in temperament assessment, and suggests that the North Node be taken as hot and moist, the South Node as cold and dry. Fascinating material.

Andrew wrote:One of the featured articles in this journal is entitled "Judging Temperament," written by Luis Ribeiro. This article is particularly noteworthy (and well worth reading) because it directly addresses a matter highlighted in Greenbaum's Temperament, i.e., the nativity of an English merchant and the critique of Lilly's method for judging the temperament of the native.

I am tempted to think that had I read the above article a couple of years ago, I might never have bought Greenbaum's book in the first place ... but that would have been a shame, since still it contains a great deal of valuable information.

Needless to say, Lilly's Moon phases are used throughout. Interestingly, Ribeiro notes that Venus is invariably reckoned as hot and moist (rather than cold and moist) in temperament assessment, and suggests that the North Node be taken as hot and moist, the South Node as cold and dry. Fascinating material.

This was a really interesting article. From Greenbaum's book one gets an impression that every renaissance astrologer used a bit different method of judging temperament (and it's a bit mess), but Ribeiro shows us that actually the methods were almost identical! He lays the method to us clearly and I will tinker with it today in practice.

One interesting point was that following Lilly, Garcaeus, Junctinus, etc. Ribeiro suggests dealing with the Sun and the Moon entirely according to their season (the Sun) and phase (the Moon), forgetting here their natural qualities (the Sun as naturally choleric and the Moon as naturally phlegmatic). So if the Sun for example is aspecting the Ascendant and is in tropical Pisces, it should be considered giving moisture and coldness. This would explain a few points I've been wondering in real charts...

There were many good articles in this journal, a lot of food for thought.

It's a wonderfully illuminating paper in a first-rate journal that is chock-full of enlightening articles. I plan to subscribe.

Greenbaum writes that Lilly "hedges his bets" and that (in his assessment of the nativity of a merchant) his method for determining temperament "does not pick it up," so that he is "forced to rationalize his direct observations of the man," and that Lilly "crashes on the rocks of temperament assessment," since his method does not back up his observational assessment. Ribeiro disabuses his readers of this notion.

She also writes that "there is no one universally agreed-upon technique for determining temperament," with "7 techniques ... in or out of fashion." But as Ribeiro notes in his paper, "The method is coherent throughout all authors regarding its theory and significators. There is only one method; the differences appear only in the collection of testimonies ... This is the lead the modern practitioner of the Traditon must follow to obtain reliable results."