Olivia wrote:Historically, Christianity has been virulently anti-Semitic - though we're wandering off-topic here. Most Christians today seem to put it down to reading the gospels out of context. Still, there's no denying it.

Any decent history book, chestnuts like Martin Luther's Of the Jews and Their Lies, which Hitler used as a blueprint for the holocaust, the Justinian laws way back when, and it goes on and on and on and on.

I don't believe Christianity needs to be anti-semitic, though, and there has been huge improvement since the second world war. Anti-semitism would seem to fly in the face of stated Christian principles and ethics.

Also, the only occidental monotheism I'm aware of is Christianity, and even that's fairly split. Orthodox Christianity follows Greek thought more than Roman, and you can definitely see the western/middle eastern split between them.

Both Judaism and Islam are firmly middle-eastern.

Having lived in both societies, there is a huge difference between the two.

You may be interested...!
...I don't know how you feel about Sabian analysis...I know that overall this forum is not oriented to it...but here's a link to the astrologyweekly.com forum where-in I've started a thread on the Saturn-Uranus opposition that is currently occuring and how, I believe, it will affect spirituality in the coming years....

...here's the link...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=19360

...or you may find this thread I have at actastrology.com more concise and easier to follow... http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=175

No, you're right - I don't give credence to Sabian nor do I do speculative astrology, and I barely use the outer planets at all.

The only reason I'm at astrologyweekly currently is because one of the horary mods kind of suborned me into covering for her during her holidays.

I honestly try to stay away from the rest of the forum. I've read a few threads there, and it's not my cup of tea. The horary forum is bad enough with 'I'm a Scorpio so I'll pick Pluto as my significator' and 'guess what my question is'

AAARRGGHHH.

I'm glad it's there for the people who enjoy it. But it's not geared to the type of astrology I'm interested in, so I just stay in my corner, and in January I can leave.

What impresses me on the horary forums of astrology weekly is the complete lack of ethical concerns, concerns about the role of astrology, or even the most simplistic "reality check".

So, there are always "horaries" like: "is my boyfriend gay?", "if I cheat on him will he find out", "this is my horary but I will not say what was my question", "is Obama an alien?", "does horary astrology works?", "who shot Kennedy?", etc, etc, etc.

I am suspect to say this because I am a moderator, so I will add a "IMHO"

I was thinking of doing up a post about how the Delphic Oracle would curse you if you asked frivolous questions, but I fear it would be lost on the audience.

Some of them probably really want to learn horary, but I can understand why the good people tend not to stay, or need to take a month off from time to time.

yuzuru wrote:What impresses me on the horary forums of astrology weekly is the complete lack of ethical concerns, concerns about the role of astrology, or even the most simplistic "reality check".

So, there are always "horaries" like: "is my boyfriend gay?", "if I cheat on him will he find out", "this is my horary but I will not say what was my question", "is Obama an alien?", "does horary astrology works?", "who shot Kennedy?", etc, etc, etc.

On the Astrodienst forum I used to see such unethical questions too. And even worse, not only on the horary section but also on the native chart discussions in which native charts, obviously without the knowledge of their owner where discussed, indeed with such questions bout being gay etc.

However there is nothing new under the sun, in medieval times people went to astrologers with similar questions. Although the following article unfortunately can only be accessed via universities etc, I'll mention it because of the interesting historical content.
The Stars and Human Sexuality: Some Medieval Scientific Views
Helen Lemay
Isis, Vol. 71, No. 1 (Mar., 1980), pp. 127-137
Published by: The University of Chicago Press on behalf of The History of Science Society
http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/230317.pdf

The article gives examples of Abenragel and Bonatti how it could be determined whether a woman was a virgin or not. However Bonatti also had ways of telling the truth a bit differently in favour of the female, indicating the loss of virginity but not by intercourse.
(for people in posession of Bonatti's works I mention some footnotes in the article concerning this matter: Bonatus, Decem tractatus astronomie, fols. 203v-204.). In Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos Book III 13 and 14 (Robbins, http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/R ... 3D*.html#4 ) also mentions sexual inclinations. Furthermore,

the article wrote:According to
Abenragel, it is even possible to satisfy
one's curiosity about a neighbor's sex life
by means of astrology; he outlines a
method for determining whether the people
next door will have sexual intercourse
on a certain night.24 (footn. 24Abenragel, Liber in iudiciis astrorum, fol. 27v:
Cap. 24, "In questione si habuerit rem cum muliere
hac nocte vel non.")

Whether this is possible or not, it illustrates how far people could go to satisfy their curiousness.

Short time ago I got a second hand copy of Keith Thomas' 'Religion and the Decline of Magic', expounding on the place of magic, astrology etc. in the social structure of 16th and 17th century England. I immediately started in the chapters on astrology. There it is explained that (horary)astrology was often used to find a thief, by describing the physical features. Previously this suspect finding was done by village wizards etc.
Nowadays most people wouldn't think of trying such a thing through astrology (I hope ), and fortunately there are laws that protect suspects.

However it must all be seen in the social context of those days. Thomas' book emphasizes the social role of the astrologer, although often wrong, was important for giving advice using common sense. It seems that few things have changed today.
And centuries before it was similar,

the article wrote:Bonatti's discussion of virginity gives
us evidence of how the practitioner of the
science of the stars could have functioned
as an arbiter of sexual disputes
within the society.

Greetings. Well, once again I've run into something that gives support to my theory posted above concerning the application of the Musical Scale or Musical Tonality and its relationship to the angle of the sides of the Great Pyramid....51.42871....*
There is a video available to watch on the internet called the "2012 Enigma" and it is presented by a fellow named David Wilcock.
In info presented He talks about Acoustic mechanics and how the degree of the angle of the Great Pyramid applies to it.

...I do recommend seeing it...but be forewarned the bulk of the presentation is a bit far out as it pertains to a lot a odd subjects...such as the "Philadelphia Experiment", "The Montauk Project", "Project Looking Glass"...etc.