Yes you may post my allocations on the blog. While Tarot (Rider-Waite) is, for me, pretty much the "be/end all" relative to cartomantic divination, still, I have come to regard the Petit Jeu of much value-however, I do not use any of the given (English language) meanings for the cards, my interpretations being, I guess, unique to myself: for the card meanings I use a combination of:
1) the meanings/correspondences/affinities of the allocated decanate and planet (as I have listed them, above);
2) numerological affinities based upon the actual number of the card, plus numerological affinities of the playing card shown (in the background);
3) elemental affinities/correspondences based upon the suit of the playing card shown in the background;
4) correspondences suggested (to my mind at the time of the reading) by the central symbol/image on the card (eg, bear, ring, cross, etc etc)

For those interested in making a study of I Ching astrological correspondences (within the context of the various Chinese "astrologies") may I recommend the following:

-"The Astrology of the I Ching" (A translation of the Ho Map Lo Map Rational Number); editied W.A. Sherrill, Arkana Penguin Books, 1993

-also see"I Ching Anthology", Sherrill + Chu, Arkana/Penguin, 1989, chapter 3-'Astrologies related to the I Ching'

(Happy Year of the Tiger to all Skyscript members!)

I have used Tarot,Rune and lately, Lenormand(online).

http://www.e-tarocchi.com/mlpub/index.php

Lenormand has been uncannily accurate.I am still not clear about- The Book and Clouds card.In any form- I have only used single card spread.The online interpretation is sometimes the opposite of what is written on the card ???

http://www.exoteric.fr/en/rubrique269.html


PD

Try my meanings page - http://freakyfortuneteller.com/chanah/?page_id=50

And there's a big Lenormand tag in the tag cloud, too - it may help.

Olivia wrote:Try my meanings page - http://freakyfortuneteller.com/chanah/?page_id=50

And there's a big Lenormand tag in the tag cloud, too - it may help.

Thanks,
Is there a tradition to reverse cards as well or is that a Tarot thing. Looks like the website- e-tarocchi- uses reversed cards as well in the deciphering the meaning of the cards

PD

No. Aside from a booklet that came with a Lo Scarabeo deck that was written by a tarot artist who obviously didn't know anything about Leonormand, nobody's advocated reversing the cards.

Some people reverse cards in full sibilla decks, but not in the smaller ones - you read those, including Lenormand, by the card combinations.

I Ching divination has been mentioned several times in a number of recent threads. I thought it might be of some interest to Skyscript members using I Ching to pass on a method I learned back in the 90's from "Dr. Mo", an Oriental Medicine doctor practicing at that time in the "Chinatown" area near downtown Los Angeles. Now what I am about to describe is NOT astrology, but it uses astrology to "cast" the I Ching hexagram (which latter is read for the prognostic interpretation).

According to Dr. Mo (he used our tropical zodiac for this purpose), in a specific question (what we would call a horary) one proceeds to cast the hexagram as follows:

-erect an astrological chart for the exact time of the question (Dr. Mo used Porphyry house system, but any house system will do)

-construct your hexagram by building its component trigrams in this way:

A) for the lower trigram (always start here), make 3 lines (either yang: _ or yin:_ _) based upon the + (Yang or "Male") or -(Yin or "Female") nature of the sign**: (first or bottom line) in which the Descendant degree is found, then (second or middle line) the nature of the sign in which the Ascendant degree is found, finally (third or upper line) the nature of the sign in which the MC degree is found. This makes up the lower trigram.

B) for the upper trigram, make 3 lines (as above, yang or yin lines) based upon the Yang or Yin nature of the sign: (first or bottom line of the upper trigram) in which the cusp (or sensitive degree) of the significator House is found, then (second or middle line), the nature of the sign in which the Lord of the Ascendant is posited, finally (third or top line) the nature of the sign in which the Lord of the significator House is posited.

You now have a completed hexagram which is interpreted (from I Ching sources) as the answer to the question. Dr. Mo stated that particular attention is to be paid to the meaning of the "nuclear trigram" within the middle of the hexagram; also, that if the question is simply to be answered "yes" or "no", you can find that answer in the "nuclear trigram" alone: if there are three yang lines comprising the nuclear trigram the answer = yes; if three yin lines = no; if two yang + one yin = probably yes; if two yin + one yang = probably no.

In I Ching analysis the "changing line" or "controlling line" plays an important role. For determining the controlling line, Dr. Mo used the sign position of the Moon in the chart: its position = the controlling line (that is, the number of the controlling line, whether line 1, line 2, etc. up to line 6)
Dr. Mo's "Moon/Line" allocations are:
-Moon in Taurus or Capricorn = Line 1
-Moon in Virgo or Scorpio = Line 2
-Moon in Cancer or Pisces = Line 3
-Moon in Leo or Aries = Line 4
-Moon in Sagittarius or Aquarius = Line 5
-Moon in Libra or Gemini = Line 6

The controlling/changing line application in I Ching analysis will yield a new hexagram figure, and Dr. Mo would regard this final hexagram as the ultimate ramification of the answer to the question.

Dr. Mo's method is quite interesting, and apparently unknown (at least I have never read about it) With certain modifications, this method is capable of being applied to obtain I Ching insights relating to nativities, progressions (profections also, SR's, etc), event and mundane matters in addition to specific (horary) questions. I reiterate that this is not astrology, it is I Ching divination-but the application of astrological data to cast the hexagrams at least partially connects Dr. Mo's method with our astrological field of interest.

**The zodiac has been divided according to sign polarity since the most ancient times; originally as "male" or "female" signs, later simply by + signs and - signs; these constitute the "yin and yang" allocations of the zodiacal signs, and in Dr. Mo's method, the yin or yang lines to be used in constructing the trigrams which make up the hexagram. For convenience, the Yin/Yang allocations of the zodiacal signs are as follows:
Aries: Yang __
Taurus: Yin _ _
Gemini: Yang __
Cancer: Yin _ _
Leo: Yang __
Virgo: Yin _ _
Libra: Yang __
Scorpio: Yin _ _
Sagittarius: Yang __
Capricorn: Yin _ _
Aquarius: Yang __
Pisces: Yin _ _

Hello,

Other Divinations?
Well I use astrology as my main method of divination.
I use numeology just for fun when people ask.
I use Tarot for three reasons:
1. Short term prediction when a computer is not available
2. When a person asks too many questions at the same time. (I've had client who ask 15 different questions. I am not going to be bothered answering those with horary!). If I have the mood, I would ask him to narrow down his to 2 or three most important if I wish to use horary.
3. When I am too lazy to do horary chart!

Advantage of Tarot reading:
It can be used for many different questions asked at about the same time.

Disadvantages of Tarot reading:
- Usually for sort term only and sometimes the spread only reflects what is in the querent's mind and his expectations
- Highly dependent in intuition.

Advantage of Numerology:
Easy and does not need time of birth

Disadvantage of Numerology:
When it inly depends on date of birth, how can it be specific?!


However, there is one important factor that makes numerology still valid. The name number. Astrology does not differentiate people by name. Numerology does. It is certainly interesting to note the births of twins (whose ascendant sign does not change and asc degrees are about the same) and their different paths of lives by analyzing their names (both birth names and popular names). In fact this can be used for two (or more) astro twins. Names given definitely have effects on our lives. It should be the first most important thing a parent should do i.e. giving good names to their children (in fact in Islam, it is the first responsibility of the father!).

Changing names can also have effects. This is where many numerologists (who are not also astrologers) tripped. If they see clients have very "inharmonious" names, they advice change of names. They then choose a name based on their preferred Gematria (letter-number conversion table), most famous being Chaldean-Hebrew-Kabala or Pythagorean system. The problems?
1. Names and numbers answer to the law of Vibration. People must call you by that name or else it remains as potential only (just like people who do not use their birth names - their meanings associated with the unused birth names become only potentials).
2. More importantly, the name change must be done on the hour and day that are harmonious astrologically (which a numerologist who is not astrologer would not do!).

I remember vaguely in Talmud tradition, when God supposedly gave a different name to Abram (new name Abraham) which should have different effects on him and I am pretty sure it was done on a "prosperous day"? However, when it comes to God, he is by definition above destiny/fate, fortune and choice.

Hello,

By the way, I have a few questions of Tarot Cards:

1. I have seen Tarot readers who use the whole deck for reading the general current situation and future events. Could any of you point me to the websites or books that advocate this?

2. How the heaven (not the other one!) do you use the cards for timing and how succesful are you with it?

Thank you!

My experience with timing and Tarot:

As I've mentioned earlier on this thread, I have been using Tarot since the 1960's. I use either a 3 card spread, or more frequently, a 1 card draw (taken from a progressive series of reshuffles and re-cuts of the deck) I only invoke Tarot for specific questions, not for general issues. I never seek yes/no answers, but rather illumination regarding the trends and influences operative upon the matter of the question (and upon the querent in relation to the specific question) I never invoke Tarot during Moon VC, nor during the 24 hours of Hecate (ie, the 24 hours prior to the moment of the New Moon) Ideally, I also avoid invoking Tarot during Mercury rx, and when square or opposition aspects are forming beween Mercury and the Moon.
Without bragging or intending to sound like a "Tarot master" (which I am NOT!) I can truthfully state that "the cards" have never ONCE been wrong when describing the nature of influences and factors surrounding or operative upon a particular question. However, for many years now I refuse to attempt any kind of timing estimation or projection of WHEN something will/may happen, because previously-when I attempted to determine the timing of something-I was "off"-incorrect- more of the time than being correct. My personal experience with Tarot is that the issue of timing-WHEN something will occur-is outside the "field" of whatever force or intelligence is operative. Perhaps the Tarot delves into the "eternal present", where the stream of mundane time (our conventional concept of "time") does not apply.

So, my questions for everyone who is willing to participate are very simple:
-do you practice any other divination technique (and, of course, which one/s)? and, if you do- why?
Also, an additional question for those of you who do use them is:
-do you switch between astrology and other techniques, use them both, expand your readings that way or search for confirmations (or something else)?

I was raised by Mormons, so divination was something I was afraid of until my teen years. Sometimes the repressed ex-Mormon side of me is still afraid of it or wonders if it's "wrong." I am a sensitive person though and heard, felt and saw spirits as a child and was intuitive, with some prophetic dreams (I am a Cancer rising with a 6th house Moon in Sag conjunct Neptune). I used a Ouija board first at age 13, then studied tarot, before I started to seek out astrology. I gradually worked my way into natal and other branches, and I eventually found horary in 2008, or so (although I had a horary reading before that and didn't know what it was). This was during my Saturn return (2008-2009), and I also went through a Uranus 9th house transit that opposed my Saturn. I'm sure most of us discovered astrology during important transits. I stopped using a Ouija a few yrs ago, after a love/hate relationship with it. But it was truly what first convinced me that there is more than this reality.

I have a love/hate with astrology too sometimes (I often clear out my files, delete my databases and reports, etc. and say it's over), but it is more natural for me, because it is very organized and logical (I am a Mercury in Taurus, trine Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd), and there isn't a physical energy drain that you can get from other divination sources, such as Ouija or tarot. But sometimes a horary chart or other type of chart is unreadable or you don't connect with it, and so you may wish to seek out your other sources. I go back and forth between tarot and horary especially, and I am always skeptical about my accuracy, so I will likely use one method first, then the other to see if it matches in results. I first consult my own intuition on things, and I do wonder if I have outside help sometimes, although as a child I learned to repress outside inteference and so I am not as open to it as an adult. I am more vulnerable in my sleep though, and have had some bad experiences, as well as more prophetic dreams. Most places I have lived have been haunted, which may or may not be my fault. Pluto in the 4th seems to show this, and my Sag Moon/Neptune sextiles it, showing the link I have, especially in my dreams.

No matter what divination form you use, divination tools themselves can have a plethora of meanings, and I believe it takes a certain type of person to be able to translate and understand them, which is why so many people will never "get" it. They aren't open, sensitive, or don't know how to logically make the connections (it requires a combo of all of these traits - especially astrology).

Tanit wrote:
I am a sensitive person though and heard, felt and saw spirits as a child and was intuitive, with some prophetic dreams (I am a Cancer rising with a 6th house Moon in Sag conjunct Neptune). I used a Ouija board first at age 13, then studied tarot, before I started to seek out astrology.

Tanit, I find this most interesting since I have studied Reinhold Ebertin?s work ?The Combination of Stellar Influences,? which I study with my astrological work.

Ebertin states about Moon/Neptune signatures:

?Subconscious phenomena, a refined since of feeling. Sensitivity, the ability to feel and to understand other people?s troubles in a sympathetic manner, inner visions and imaginative perception, intensely vivid dream-experiences. A refined sense of feeling, a love of solitude caused by being misunderstood. Sensitive persons, impressionable women, Mediums, people connected with psychical phenomena and investigations, women who read cards or women-cartomancers.?

Regards, Steve