" In mundane maps, there is an indication of mass catastrophes, should
either Mars, Saturn or Uranus be in this first degrees of Sagittarius,
especially in an angular position. "

http://www.constellationsofwords.com/st ... hubba.html

Following MikeCoop's and Kurgal's observations regarding the January 1, 1804 Haiti "National Natal Chart" (nnc) in comparison to the quake chart, in addition to their findings:

+quake Saturn (Significator of the Part of Destruction in the quake chart) -at 4Libra39- conjuncts the nncAscendant (9Libra10); quake Saturn is also in near-partile conjunction with the nncSaturn (3Libra)

+the nncAscendant (9Libra10) is 14 minutes conjunct the quake IC (8Libra56), which is the "cusp" or "sensitive point" of the quake 4th House, wherein (by Whole Sign) Saturn (Lord of the Part of Destruction in the quake chart) is posited

+quake Part of Destruction (8Aquarius) approaches nncPart of Fortune in same sign (nncPart of Fortune @ 20Aquarius43) {thereby-to my way of thinking-showing a malefic trend)

+quake Neptune (24Aquarius57) conjunct nncPart of Fortune (20Aquarius43)

+quake Mars (16Leo) approaches nncMoon (28 Leo) in same sign {thereby showing a malefic trend}

+quake Mars (16Leo) is in partile conjunction with nncDragon's Tail (15Leo55)

+quake Pluto (3Capricorn41) near (approaching) conjunct nncSun (9Capricorn36) {thereby showing a malefic trend}... and, as Kurgal mentioned, is in partile conjunction with nncMars (3Capricorn10)


VENUS CAZIMI
In the quake chart Venus is posited in the Heart of the Sun (15 minutes from perfect conjunction), ie, within the traditional 17 minute limit defining the state of Cazimi. Interesting to find this testimony as part of a major disaster chart! I submit that Venus Cazimi in the quake chart testifies to the great enhancement of Venus-qualities occasioned by this disaster: Venus signifies sympathy, soothing, the relief of pain and suffering: in response to the Haiti quake there has been a massive outpouring of worldwide sympathy and large movements of money, medicine, food and other aid to that island nation. In fact, as a result of this disaster Haiti will receive more aid from the world over the next year than all of the help it has obtained over the past 10 years combined! This is the meaning of Venus Cazimi in the Haitian quake chart.

The element of Chinese astrology/astronomy which I find very interesting is the use of the equator as reference frame (rather than the ecliptic of western astrology), and the use of the meridian clock related to the flows of the meridians of acupunture.

Hi Eddy

I don?t know much about the history of Chinese astrology but I was interested to read this comment in Nick Kanas?s *Star Maps, History, Artistry and Cartography*

Note that the Chinese celestial sphere contained 365? degrees, not the 360 degrees that we use today (p.22)

I find that interesting and wish there was more explanation. This is obviously showing that the sphere was used as a way to divide the year by the day, so its hard to see how that level of dependency upon daylight would not go hand in hand with movement of the Sun ? which then makes the trail of the ecliptic fairly essential knowledge.

I am really enjoying this book, although mainly for the analysis of the artistry in star maps, but I wish Kansas had referenced that comment. If you know anything about this, I?d be very interested to know how it worked.

Deb

dr farr,

Hi dr farr,

I don't know if I completely agree with you, but I did wonder about the symbolism of Venus coming out of its 'coupling with the Sun' too. First we had the period of really extreme and uncomfortable weather - freezing cold in Europe / melting hot in Australia. Then as Venus started to pull away from the Sun the earthquake occured, whilst the snow melted and Australia cooled from its heatwave. Was this mirroring some kind of 'release of pressure' - I don't know. I do know that Arabian texts talk about the period when Venus moves from under the Sun as associated with increased rainfall and moisture. A very striking analogy is that Venus under the Sun is like a woman under a man, drawing his waters down. I don't think that signifies a danger of flooding, so much as release and relief. So whilst I'm not seeing the event of the earthquake as Venusian in itself, I can relate to what you are suggesting about the emotion of the aftermath.

Haiti Quake, 7,0 Richter, 12 January 2010, 21.53 GMT - 18N27 72W27
Asc 14CN48 MC 8AR47 Sun 22CP36 Moon 26SG28

A new 6,1 Richer quake hit the region today, 20 January 2010, 11.04 GMT - 18N26 72W53
Asc 8CP49 MC 19LI17 Sun 0AQ15 Moon 25PI42

This quake had it's epicentre 8km below the Earth surface in comparison with a depth of 10km on 12 January. Quakes close to the surface have higher intensity an potential for destruction at that level.

There are two factors that are interesting;
1) the Moon has moved 90 degrees from the initial quake, thus repreating the initial tensions. This effect has been seen in previous cases.
2) The 9th degree of cardinal signs appear on the axis of both charts. I said this degee had been active in historical earthquakes. The degree 8 Aries was highlighted in the great earthquake of 18 April 1906.

Previous work printed by TMA: http://www.astronor.com/urania.htm

The fact that the seismic tensions actually do tend to be repeated with the 90 degree siderical motion of the Moon, may be one of the strongest arguments for a serious scientific enquiry into the astrological. It's a good starting point, in my opinion anyhow.

Andrew Bevan wrote:This eclipse belongs to Saros Series 12N that started on 19 May 1613.

Hi Andrew,
Where did you get the number '12N' from? On the NASA website I see that this particular Saros series belongs to the '141' series. http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsaros/SEsaros141.html

For others who want to know more about these 'Saros series': http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsaros/SEperiodicity.html

Deb wrote:Nick Kanas?s *Star Maps, History, Artistry and Cartography*
Quote:

Note that the Chinese celestial sphere contained 365? degrees, not the 360 degrees that we use today (p.22)


I find that interesting and wish there was more explanation. This is obviously showing that the sphere was used as a way to divide the year by the day, so its hard to see how that level of dependency upon daylight would not go hand in hand with movement of the Sun ? which then makes the trail of the ecliptic fairly essential knowledge.

Hi Deb,

I was familiar with that particular division, but I'm not sure where I read it, perhaps in Chrisopher Walker's 'Astronomy before the Telescope'. I xeroxed that book some weeks ago and when I get home I will have a look if I can find something. Perhaps your book is in the library too.

Joseph Needham was a famous researcher on Chinese science. Perhaps he was the source. Here's a book on googlebooks and another one here. The links open on the page where these degrees ar explained. More pleasant to read because it can be printed is this shorter text on Chinese astronomy (not of Needham himself) http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1984Obs...104...19K I skimmed through it and it mentions the 'Hsiu', the 28 equatorial sidereal lunar mansions and these Chinese degrees which were mentioned 'Tu' I read somewhere else.

This reminds me of Placidus' key for primary directions using the movement of the Sun in respect to the equator, which if I remember correctly was mentioned by Margherita a couple of months ago. But perhaps I make the incorrect association.

The more schematical 360 system was originally from the Babylonians and is much easier to use for calculations.

Eddy wrote:Where did you get the number '12N' from? On the NASA website I see that this particular Saros series belongs to the '141' series.

There are different ways of cataloging the Saros. The system of dividing the Saros into 19 Northern and 19 Southern cycles is used by Jansky, among others. Espenak (Mr.Eclipse at NASA) will refuse to discuss the eclipses of Saros in any astrological content.

Andrew Bevan wrote:There are different ways of cataloging the Saros. The system of dividing the Saros into 19 Northern and 19 Southern cycles is used by Jansky, among others. Espenak (Mr.Eclipse at NASA) will refuse to discuss the eclipses of Saros in any astrological content.[/quote

Ah thanks. Jansky wasn't that the man of the birth control astrology?

Jansky's work on Eclipses is one of the standard works.
I could also refer to De Vore's Encyclopedia of Astrology.

Nope - that was Jonas.

Is tbere somewhere on the web to find which eclipses are which? I mean how they translate between the two numbering systems.

Joseph Needham has been mentioned above relative to Chinese astrological science (the ancient Chinese made no formal distinction between calendrical, astronomical and astrological science); however, more recent historical research (especially from the Chinese themselves) question the accuracy of some of Needham's earlier work and take issue particularly with Needham's conclusions/pronouncements regarding several matters. For instance, Needham states that the Chinese day began at midnight: the reality is that the Chinese day begins with the 2 hour long time period starting at 11 PM. In my studies of Chinese astrological concepts I have discovered many contradictions between what various Western-authored books allege, and what the Chinese astrologers themselves actually say! This is a very interesting area of investigation and I plan to make some postings relative to my "findings" in the near future, in the Philosophy & Science section.