Hi Yuzuru,

I got another quick pm from Deb. She is away from home at present and has an urgent writing deadline on her return. Until she is able to give you a proper response herself I thought i would summarise her brief feedback. In short Deb states that Lilly usually represents Parliament as opposing the King in the 4th house. That makes perfect sense considering Parliament were engaged in a civil war with the King and his supporters during Lilly's time.

In regards the horary you referred to where Lilly judged between king or parliament he seems to use the 1st house for parliament - perhaps because as he says on p.51 of Christian Astrology , the 1st is the commonwealth or general people, as opposed to the king in power.

This still, leaves your point about Lilly's use of the 11th house unanswered. Deb will will hopefully pick up that point when she returns to the forum.

What seems clear is that there was not a uniform linkage in regards house association to the Parliament. It seems to rely more on context.

Regards

Mark

Hi, the discussion was a little sideways so I would like to go back to the original chart of the accession to power and try to reproduce the analysis that Steven did.

This seems like a damn awful chart for one to accede to power! Not only mars is squaring the ASC, but also the Sun. Fortunately the sun is sextile a very benefic Jupiter in the fourth. Jupiter, by its turn, is afflicted by opposing Saturn.

The moon is a reason of concern: not only is void, but it is waning and losing what little light she has, in the 6th house! This doesn?t look like a long ruling to me!

Abu mashar uses several lots of rulership... as I never tested them, I will just use the same as given by Steven:
ASC + Moon - Mars = 24 Cancer.

Both moon and Jupiter closely aspects the lot, and they both have rulership over it. Moon is separating from mars and venus. This would show the lack of support of the people and maybe from external countries.

Mercury rules and aspects the MC. Mercury is cadent by division, but in a fixed sign, so this probably will give him some years. I will have to look in Abu Mashar for more indications of how long is the period of the ruler.

The moon is a reason of concern: not only is void, but it is waning and losing what little light she has, in the 6th house! This doesn?t look like a long ruling to me!

Most political commentators doubt whether the coalition will last the year. A term of a few years could almost be deemed a success by most forecasts!

As the moon is applying sextile to neptune I wouldnt personally consider it to be VOC but obviously using strict traditional methods it is.

Getting back to Marks point about saturn peregrine, I would suggest that taken in the context of the peculiar quality of the leadership of the coalition this is almost to be expected. By its essence the leadership is bound to be compromised in quite a large degree, in fact the leadership is almost a joint decision making process involving both Clegg and Cameron. In these circumstances saturn peregrine could be seen to reflect this.

However, if you want to propose a different chart for the coaltion specifically please suggest one. I did give a time for Cameron announcing the formation of a coalition government.

I'm damned if I can find it within the plethora of Gordon Brown resigning times and charts.

This seems like a damn awful chart for one to accede to power!

Thanks Yuzuru. I was beginning to think I was just being a gloomy Scotsman!

I'm damned if I can find it within the plethora of Gordon Brown resigning times and charts

Bottom of the first post on this thread below the chart for Cameron assuming office?

I timed David Cameron announcing the formation of a coalition government as he spoke outside 10 Downing Street at 20:43 BST 11/05/2010. London.
There are obviously different views on when the Moon is void of course. I tend to adopt the general approach of William Lilly and some other 17th century astrologers who did not consider the Moon VOC if it was within moeity orb of another planet across the sign boundary. I do use outer planets but I only count the visible traditional planets when looking at whether the Moon is VOC. In this instance the Moon is within moeity orb with Mercury. However, an aspect perfecting across the sign boundary indicates some fundamental change in the situation is required before the aspect completes. That is why I interpreted this as possibly a referendum or a general election. Some major international development is another possibility (Moon is Lord 9) . Here the moon is decreasing in light so weakening in terms of phase/light but it will perfect the aspect across the sign boundary where it will be exalted.

I tend to regard the outer planets as generally malefic in mundane work so even a sextile is not something especially to be desired.

The charts for Cameron assuming office (20:12) and announcing the
coalition (20:43) are obviously close in time so have a lot in common.

Mark

I timed David Cameron announcing the formation of a coalition government as he spoke outside 10 Downing Street at 20:43 BST 11/05/2010. London.

Its not getting any better is it?

It might be a good idea to sift through the various coalition charts until we find one thats vaguely palatable.

btw. is there any possibility that mercurys tr. trine to pluto in 2nd on Thursday, May 20 augers an announcement, perhaps on the dire state of our financial affairs?

Note: This post was originally made by daz madrigal and has been relocated to this thread.

daz madrigal wrote: is there any possibility that mercurys tr. trine to pluto in 2nd on Thursday, May 20 augers an announcement, perhaps on the dire state of our financial affairs?

Mer t. 6 taurus completes trine to Pluto 6 cap.
Mer L10 - Government, Constitution

May 19th - Nick Cleggs First Speech on Political Reform
May 20th - PM Camerons Speech on todays published Coalition Manifesto
May 20th - Coalition Manifesto Published


MC - 14 deg Virgo
"An Aristocratic Family Tree"

Importance of ancestral background in all accomplishments. Power to experience deeply. Cultural sensitiveness. Heritage.


Conservative & Liberal traditionalists begin to complain about the dumping of long cherished beleifs rooted in their history.
Cameron is accused of trying to stifle the powers of the 1922 Committee, which has traditionally been reserved for backbench MPs when the party is in power.

Mr Cameron wants the committee to allow frontbenchers a vote, telling MPs they must be ?one party?.


Mer t trine Pluto

Mer Tau 06 - A Cantilever bridge is in Construction Across a Deep Canyon

The conquest of seperativeness through group co-operation

June 2 2010 - David Cameron's First Question Time as Prime Minister

Prime Minister Questions begins in a few hours from now at 1500 BST..

Mars is just hours away from his MA Return. His MA is in Leo (Leadership) and in 11th H (Parliament).

MA opp MO/NE sq ME in MA Return chart.

MA sabian degree 'A Large Aviary'

Too many voices trying to attract attention, easily distracted; many attempts to control the uncontrollable; Difficult to stamp authority on surroundings.

When added to the ME-MA-MO/NE T-sq in the MA Return chart it looks like something of Baptism of Fire - Could be well worth watching.

ps. might be a good idea to note Camerons MA Return charts in future analyses.

June 2 2010 - David Cameron's First Question Time as Prime Minister

Cameron did debate for the first time as PM with Harriet Harman on May 18th. However, I believe that wasn't a formal PM first questions. This first meeting of the new Parliament followed the state opening of Parliament by the Queen was probably more crucial. Not sure for the time of that though.

Here is a Guardian newspaper blog for the event. I wonder if we could take the swearing in of the speaker as the key time?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog ... ction-live

Not sure if I agree that this is that astrologically significant in the same way as his becoming PM or announcing the Coalition govt. I would personally be more inclined to look at transits, progressions etc to these key charts.

Mark