Hello Chris,

Its something that Pingree wrote about several times, and criticized some of the earlier historians for, although I don't know if anyone else has addressed it since. I know that Bezza wrote an article on Elutherius/Palchus's natal chart sometime recently, so perhaps he addressed the issue there?

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thanks, very much. I will manage to find more information on it.
Bezza is lucky in living far from Rome, because I would torment him

margherita

Bless Lee Lehman and Carol Wiggers !
Some food for thought for MarkC and ChrisBrennan.

I chanced upon the archive of Lilly list and found Lee Lehman quoting Lilly's aphorism 3:
http://www.horary.com/w_lilly/wl_2.htm#97

APHORISMES and Considerations for
better judging any HORARY
QUESTION.
........
3. The position of Saturn or Mars in the 10th, and they peregrine or unfortunate, or the South Node in that house,. the Artist hardly gets credit by that Question.

Lilly also follows the same principle in assigning Physician to 7th and his Medicine to the 10th.

Astrologicall Aphorismes beneficial
For Physicians.

3. The 7th house represents the Physician, the 10th his Medicine; if the Lord of the 7th be unfortunate, the Physician shall not cure; if the 10th house or Lord thereof, his Physick is improper.

I was wondering when did this switch from 4th house(10th from 7th) to the 10th itself took place(4th from 7th).
Mind you it does't matter if the planet concerned is Saturn- conjunct 10th is opposition 4th and vice versa.

Is Lilly causing confusion with faulty judgement on astrologer's part to getting no credit.He does not spare the Physician's Physik if 10th is afflicted ??

Cheers

PD