I also follow the Morin's method, and I found SR to be one of the most accurate predictive techniques-- it is stunningly accurate in fact, I have not used primary directions much, but SR work without exceptions. they work for the location where I'm at during the SR, according to my 14 years experience of tracking them.

I suggest the study of John F. Kennedy's 1963 solar returns for Brookline, MA, Washington, D.C., and Dallas, TX, and the transits to them and also to their progressions on November 22, 1963.

I suggest the study of John F. Kennedy's 1963 solar returns for Brookline, MA, Washington, D.C., and Dallas, TX,

Why Dallas? It might be interesting as far as hindsight astrology goes, but unless you know he's going there before hand, we wouldn't think to use it as a predictive tool. Washington DC (assuming he was there on his birthday, and I think he was. I did this once before, but I might have guessed. He went to Hyannis Port a lot) is 438 miles from Brookline by car and less as the crow flies. The difference on the ASC is about 3 degrees (5+ on the MC), but the Brookline SR chart puts Pluto and the Moon near the MC while the DC SR chart puts Mars close to the MC, albeit in a different sign. Brookline puts Algol closer to the DSC.

Kennedy's birth time is generally accepted as 3:00 pm. Although I'm sure some people are born on the hour, I am always suspicious.

The Kennedy assassination is an interesting astrological case study because so many unrelated things had to come together on Nov 22 '63 for events to transpire as they did.

Oh, I don't know. I thought such a study of a known event, comparing birth place against event localities, precessed against non-precessed, and any other comparisons one might make depending on their preferred technique, might be a help as a learning experience. Perhaps not for you or other members here.

Of course, the chart of any personality with a recorded birth time could be used instead of Kennedy's ...perhaps President Obama for the year he was elected, Neil Armstrong for the year of the Moon landing, Susan Boyle for the year she rose from obscurity to worldwide fame, or any number of personalities whose data may be found on the Astrodienst site.

And a happy holiday season to you too.

Years ago I rectified Kennedy's birth time.

hello all

I argue for taking the birth place of the querent is preferrable over
the relocated place. I have moved to many different countries
and when I use my birth place for revolution chart, it seems to fit me
more than using the relocated place but surely it is only my opinion
that cannot be generalized.

the problem is if we allow using the relocated places, shouldnt we
use also use this logic in other methods?
for example, I was born in germany but moved to korea when I was
6. So when I calculate a progressed chart for my 7th birthday, by secondary progression shouldnt I prograss my natal chart 7 days after my birth date but change the location from Germany to Korea?
Why adapt the principle of relocation only in solar return
but not in other methods such as direction or prograssions?
isnt that arbitrary?

If we adopt the principle of relocation, it makes pridiction
dauntingly difficult. Although it is possible to have general idea
if the querent will move significantly far distance, and where about and when, but it is impossible to predict in what exact longitude and latitude
the querent will travel.

Then, we cannot fortell the future by the means of revolutions
or any other methods because what if you predict the clients
future based on solar return or other methods but the clients
moved far away and had his birthday in a very different place
from the place where your calculation was based on?
Your prediction will be wrong. And this senario makes
any kinds of prediction unreliable. If you dont want to be wrong,
you would have to cross your fingers and hope that the client
will have his birthday in the same place where you used to calculated
his SR.

Also, solar return and revolution is based on literally
revolution, the "return" of the planets of the natal chart.
Astrology is very person-centered art. You are the center of
the universe and you are where all the major axises of equidial, horizontal and meridian intersect.

The arrangements and positions of the planets at the moment of your birth based on the place where you were born are not the same planets as the planets of some place where you will later live and have your birthday at.

In other words, what is important is the revolution of the planets in your natal chart but not the revolution of the planets where you will later live.

Lets say a person was born in 2009 jan 1 0:00 am in USA.
He moved to Africa on 2010 Feb.
If you calcuated his solar return based on Africa in 2012 somewhere
around Jan 1, you are calculating a solar return chart for someone
who was born in 2009 somewhere around jan 1 0:00 in Africa,
not for the querent who was born in 2009 jan 1 0:00 am in USA.

I would like to hear other thoughts on this