Wolfgang wrote:Looking to the next Newmoon, 3.4.2011, there we can see something is in the back! - There?s more than meets the eye -

That means 'something', Wolfgang, which is the same as 'Eyes closed'. I am sorry, because your intentions are good and you are certainly pointing the right direction. - But even if an afterquake does occur at one of the specified times, and we would be in the situation of hoping that such a hypothesis was wrong, it has to be in the region of 7 Richter - because anything less is nothing but in the region of what the mother earthquake already has been delivering at irregular intervals up to this point. I honestly don't want to sound difficult. The only thing I want to point out, really, is to express with clarity the terms we are up against if we ever want astrology to get anywhere with science.

There is another problem involved here, which also makes 'one' stop up a moment and think; the general criticism of astrology being that starsign columns (to which we may agree), or even the interpretations given natal charts (which we must be willing to discuss), are apt to be too general or subjective, and can be 'made' to fit anyone. Scientists object; "You have to come up with a hardcore prediction for astrology to be good for anything." But then when we in turn to phenomena of the current magnitude; Earthquakes, which are an effect of nature (and we, by the way, also believe that Man himself is an effect and affected by nature - which also can be realized through some of the stress and tension manifesting in human affairs at this very same time), and if such an effect in nature can be predicted it would offer a demonstration of astrological effect - at this point it is as if both science and the media go cold - because this refers to a reality that they either don't understand, or really don't want to know.

However, the challenge lies in also us learning how to treat such predictions with the right discretion, so that astrology can be utilized as a useful tool - rather than the advocate of inevitables. One way of looking at it is that astrology is a tool for us to listen to what is going on in our environment.

Keep up the good work.

An update on the situation at 08.30 GMT. The minor afterquakes during the night measuring 5,8 Richter are not what we are looking for. Neither does the 6,5 Richter earthquake occuring in Vanuatu at 02.48 GMT count. Although a major earthquake at another place in the world at this point in time would have been significant, because the Moon's transit of 17-19 Leo 'can' but does not 'have to' be place specific. However, when the Moon enters Virgo and makes the square to its location in the first degree of Gemini in the March 11. chart - this is place specific. The point being that the thesis fomed has to be so definite and limited in nature that you can afford to be wrong.

Experts from another hold say that there was a 70% chance for another big earthquake within Thursday, according to S.K.Larsen at VG this morning. An 6,0 R earthquake was measured in Chiba yesterday, but no other larger earthquake has been reported.

The Golden rule being that what ever works for other experts must also hold for astrologers alike.

To wolfgang:

thank you for that! The only useful and inteligent observation I saw in the last week, in the sea of insensitive hindsight astrology, sabian symbols, etc.

Have you noticed that the new moon before earthquake had new moon antiscia that same fateful saturn, and then mars transited over the degree of the new moon, mars now in the exact antiscia of saturn?

best regards and thanks for the clever observation. I hate these hindsight threads, but sometimes you do find something useful!

yuzuru wrote:Best regards and thanks for the clever observation. I hate these hindsight threads, but sometimes you do find something useful!

I agree. We all pull together!

Even at study of the drift of 'smaller' afterquakes is a little bit interesting at this time. To keep things simple, I am just calculating for Tokyo and keeping things in GMT (UTC):

16.mar, 23.38GMT: 5,7R - Asc 25TA, MC 06AQ
17.mar, 04.14GMT: 5,8R - Asc 00LE, MC 19AR - Moon 19 LE
17.mar, 06.12GMT: 5,7R - Asc 25LE, MC 19TA
17.mar, 12.32GMT: 5,6R - Asc 13SC, MC 20LE
17.mar, 12.54GMT: 5,9R - Asc 17SC, MC 25LE - Moon 25LE

The shifts are interesting, starting with 1) Algol on the ascendant 2) Leo enters the Ascendant and an key degree on the MC, 3) 25Leo on the Asc 4) MC 20LE 5) Asc 25 Leo with the Moon culminating.

Looking ahead to the Moon's entry into Virgo, which is up for inspection:
17.mar, 21.00GMT: Asc 30PI (conj UR 0AR), MC 30SG - Moon 0VI.
The Moon reaches the square to her position in the March 11. chart at 00VI07.
This chart also puts the Lunar eclispe of Dec 21 on the IC.

Unique video of Japan Earthquake causing waves in Norwegian Fjord

The Norwegian Newspaper VG have a unique video on the internet. It is an amateur video from the Sognefjord on the West Coast of Norway after the Earthquake in Japan.
Link: here
The Sognefjord is Norway's longest fjord and far out a reach of having anything to do with Japan, apart from export of fish - maybe. But after the 8,8 Richter Earthquake on March 11. suddenly the fjord began to 'boil' and waves up to 2 meters came out of nowhere.

Wave-researcher Carl Harbitz at the Norwegian Geotechnical Institute tries to expalin the waves with a resonnance in the fjord that agrees with the influence the wave frequency in Japan. So giant wave may occur locally in the Sognefjord but not neccesarily in other fjords along the Norwegian coastline. Interesting how information gets around?

With Regard to Vanuatu, the building practices of California and Japan are made to 7.0 standards, so under 7.0 is Not as significant to those of us in those regions as it is to others. Outside the earthquake building zones, anything above a 5.5 in some regions or 6.0 in others, is enough to kill a lot of people and bring down a lot of buildings. So I would not dis-regard the Vanuatu quake out of hand. Just a point of degree in human living situations, rather than Richter Scale. Also even if the Vanuatu quake is significant, I think the world in general may not pay as much attention because the devastation to Japan is So significant that it will be a while before something comes up that will take our attention from it.

Anyway, I thought I'd bring it up, because we (people in general) forget that not all building practices are the same, and not all societies are functioning at the same number (population) or in the same kind of society, so different things can be more or less devastating in different areas. After all it was only a 6.6 quake that killed thousands of people in Iran back in 2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake
The geology of location, as well as building practices and disaster knowledge all play a part in how badly a disaster affects a population.

Chile tries to build for earthquakes as well, but still an earthquake that is not terribly significant in California, can be devastating there.

okay off my soap box. I shall be interested to see if they get some bad storms this weekend. that Mars line on the 19th looks a bit ominous to me...

The last two >5,5 Richer afterquakes from Japan were as follows:

17.mar, 18.55GMT: 5,6R - Asc 13AQ, MC 00SG - Moon 28LE46
18.mar, 03.24GMT: 5,5R - Asc 21SC, MC 06AR - Moon 4 VI

That means that nothing of the feared magnitude occured at the specified times/intervals. However, we have from seismic experts that the expectancy of a major 7,0 Richter afterquake was 70 % and this is a part of the equation. The earthquake at 18.55 GMT is interesting because the MC enters Sagittarius and was 2 hours ahead of its entry to Capricorn, which was the critical time specified, but then it went quiet and the chart details at 03.24 GMT on the 18th suggest that tensions were unwinding.

The freqency of >5,5 Richter afterquakes seemed to be receding since Monday, but then flourished to a peak again yesterday:

Number of >5,5 Richter Earthquakes ordered by date:
Friday 11.March: 34
Saturday12.March: 23
Sunday 13.March: 9
Monday 14.March: 5
Tuesday 15.March: 5
Wednday 16.March: 2
Thursday 17.March: 6

This all important factor is that the Moon having passed it's 90? angle late last night at about 21 GMT does in fact represent an alteration in the afterquake pattern, and that after this point of tension is past, the afterquake activity does recede again and the area may be spared for a dramatic 7,0 Richter afterquake.

There are points that other participants in this thread have mentioned that still should be monitored for some time ahead, but my hope and expectation now is that Japan is through the worst. The next rational keydate to be monitored is 45 days after March 11., which brings us to April 25. - but this tension is in my opinion not place specific and a careful inspection of sites that could be vulnerable is an option.

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To Yuzuru:

I hate this hindsight threads also, but?sometime we can't elude

The history of this thread before, base on a lecture in the Austrian Astrological Society (?AG) about the Year 2011.
The subject of the lecture was the handling of the diverse astrological technics for predicational forward looking of the year. The general tools and the specifically. Also the rules for reading this kind of (mundan) horoscopes.

A General tool is the Quartal-Horoskopes (Ingress sun in equinoctial and tropic signs) the New-an Fullmoon, and all Eclipses of this year. This in the view of Astro-Cartography. (Jim Lewis was not the first who used this way of look up. Gustav Schwickert an Austrian Astrologer used this verifiably before 1957, also other astrologers.- Lewis merit is, that he made it popular, and that i will be used now in the most Computer programs)

For use in special way, you make the Horoskop for the location of a capital city, or you use horoscopes of Nations.
With all Moon-horoscopes eclipses, directions, transits, etc.
For "lonely fighters" a lot of work!


Cross-references are horoscopes of persons which are living in some observed region. And there was a coincidence by the information of a friend who is also astrologer. (week after the lecture) His reason of visiting (two weeks ago) friends in California was, that by watching the horoscopes of a lot of friends, which are living -and most of them are born in this area-, he found for all, for this fall time, significant bad aspects. So in short: his conclusion was, that there will be something happens in the area that is not only personally! This was a self-contained conclusion from him. But this could be validate the other prospect, worked out as described before.

Zadkiel and Zadkiel II, made a lot of there prognosis in the yearly almanacs by using this "old" system!

Wolfgang

yuzuru wrote:To wolfgang:

Have you noticed that the new moon before earthquake had new moon antiscia that same fateful saturn, and then mars transited over the degree of the new moon, mars now in the exact antiscia of saturn?!

To Yuzuru,

yes I saw this and lot of other aspects. The problem is, we can talk fast about all this, but to write down, all the meanings and aspekts? a great work.
But I also looked in the way of the Uranian Astrology (german Hamburger Schule) and they used to practice antiscia also (Spiegelpunkte) a special antiscia where you use as axis not only the tropic 0 points, but also a Planet as axis!

Wolfgang

SGFoxe wrote:The earth's axis moved 6 inches which is attributed to the force of the quake. However, I believe in the 2012 effect, eg earth's axis aligned with Galactic Plane -- epoch 1999 actually, which in turn affects the axis, -- the Axis is the CAUSE of the quake, not a consequent

It's not a cause of the quake but it is a consequent. The galactic plane and all the 2012 things has nothing to do with it. Since the Earth's mantle (on which the continents rest) itself rests on the liquid inner of the Earth, the Earth's crust slightly moves by forces of inertia, hence the effect of polar motion (not to be confused with nutation or luni-solar precession). Earthquakes simply add to the movements, (they always do not only this one) like a jumping man on a big boat in a lake would slightly affect the movement of the boat.

This http://www.iers.org/IERS/EN/IERSHome/ho ... __nnn=true website gives all kinds of info on the Earth's rotation.

Right -- the tv scientists have been saying the axial perturbation a result of the earthquake,

which i do not buy -- i think the axial perturbation a concomittant of the increased galactic force we terrestials are subjected to since epoch 1999 when the solstice point precessed to the galactic plane ... the gp & terrestial axis closest to parallelity and the galactic forces acting on our magnetism etc ... this affected the axis which in turn affected the swirling liquid center and the earth's mantle

further -- the last time the terrestial axis was in a similar position -- one half precessional cycle ago, ca 10,000 BC, there is something in the geological record call the Black Mat which documents the "Great Extinction" of the American MegaFauna ...

No offence but that 2012 stuff is definitely not true. It's not even possible in terms of gravity etc. I don't know where that story started but nothing's going to happen with the galactic plane and the Earth. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html I feel people believing in those theories do themselves huge injustice by believing it. I'd sooner believe that all the billion plus of the Chinese were instructed to jump at the same time that day the 11th, eliminating Japan for market competition reasons.