Tonights game in the Championship:

Ipswich - Coventry, 19.45 BST
Odds: 2.05 3.28 3.50
Asc 25AR28 MC 9CP52 Moon 17GE29 POF 16CP28
Day Moon, Hour Venus/Mercury - not radical
This makes me want to move the result away from the favourite (?), but the detail I actually want to observe this evening is Jupiter 9TA40r intercepted in the 1st house casting a trine through signs of short ascension to the Midheaven. How will this work out? The planet in the 1st aspecting the MC indicates the home team, but through signs of s.a., do they mess it up for themselves? Jupiter's sextile to the IC would seem more beneficial, since this is also a sign where he has essential dignities. We will have to see. It could be interesting!

For what it is worth, I am not convinced we can predict the results of football matches using event charts. I have been working on it for two years, and although I had periods were I was making a decent living betting on the matches, it inevitably would lead to the "rules" contradicting each other and the method falling apart. I had better luck in predicting the general trends of a season using a whole-sign chart with the Sun as Horoscope and integrating the primary directions and revolutions. I feel this is the way but a lack of a foundation time and date hinders its complete accuracy.

If it is possible to to it with event charts, I would suggest the use of stand-alone games is a counter-productive as, in my experience, there are many coincidences which seem to be solid rules. A better way to really test the validity is to use games in a small country, kicking off at the same time and observe the results from there.

The last incarnation of my method used the dodekatemorion of the Asc, its placement in the either bounds of a benefic and malefic and a couple of the lots. I could give you dates where it works so well that 15 - 20 games at 15.00 on a Saturday in England all "work" and I made good on the bets but then I could go to the next week and those same rules I found and used previously would come up with the wrong results. I even have charts with less than 1 min. of arc difference with one game a draw between even teams and one an underdog victory. Here the bounds of the dodekatemorion of the Dsc were different and I observed that this alters the predcition of the match. I have observed this sort of thing many times but, as I said, the method eventually fails and, for me, if it isn't repeatable every time, then it doesn't work.

Anyway, I have the charts of over 5,000 matches with the kick-offs down to +/- 5 seconds if anyone would like them. Good luck to you all with your investigations, i truly hope that someone manages to crack this frustrating puzzle.

In response to Konrad's post:

Konrad wrote:For what it is worth, I am not convinced we can predict the results of football matches using event charts.

Neither am I, put it is a perfect challange and an excellent exercise. One of the things I am battling with is the importance of league fixtures. It is like strapping things to a plate. A Cup tournement is built up according to a different structure.

I had better luck in predicting the general trends of a season using a whole-sign chart with the Sun as Horoscope and integrating the primary directions and revolutions.

This is interesting, too. Personally, I thought that the different leagues may be thought of as separate boats that lived separate lives and that the developments within the season may be compared to people (or teams) changing seats and their placement within the boat.

I could give you dates where it works so well that 15 - 20 games at 15.00 on a Saturday in England all "work" and I made good on the bets but then I could go to the next week and those same rules I found and used previously would come up with the wrong results.

This is true. The question is "- What has changed?" There is something we are missing or haven't quite worked out. Something going on in the background influencing the overall sentiment or sway of the day?

Anyway, I have the charts of over 5,000 matches with the kick-offs down to +/- 5 seconds if anyone would like them. Good luck to you all with your investigations, i truly hope that someone manages to crack this frustrating puzzle.

If these charts were not published, you could load them onto a website as a resource bank? With football there seems to be an endless number of variables and manners in which a match may be decided. However, this is not much different than issues of life itself...

Thank you for your interesting reflections.

If it is possible to to it with event charts, I would suggest the use of stand-alone games is a counter-productive as, in my experience, there are many coincidences which seem to be solid rules. A better way to really test the validity is to use games in a small country, kicking off at the same time and observe the results from there.

I have tried for very many times to predict run-off-mill games on a Saturday at 15:00, for instance, Championship, but have never found any solid rules which can be said to work (at least in 70-80% of cases). There are only tendencies which might prove true in about 40-50% of cases.
The lower the league, the less tendencies I have even found.

The problem lies not so much in astrology, but in lack (accuracy) of available information, correctness of bookies odds, etc. In fact, we would be able with the help of astrology to tell 80-90% correct World Cup 2014, Europe 2012, Champions League, Europe League, Premier League, Bundesliga, France I League, Italy I League, Spain I League, Scandinavian leagues and some other top leagues about which information is more or less available and to a greater or lesser extent reliable.

With run - off - mill games it is always a problem how to differentiate them. Fave on ASC or home team on ASC for sure does not work. You may try Dodekamoria of ASC, whatever, it seems to work in one case but comes up wrong in other cases. After many searches I have stopped to the colours of kits (red for Mars, blue for Jupiter, black for Saturn, etc.). If combined with other rules it seems to be working. But again, Wikipedia is not a very reliable source. On assumption that the home team would wear a home kit but the away away' s I have proved wrong many times (almost in 30% of cases teams happen to change the kits). Then when you see on You -Tube, the result perfectly fits to astrological considerations agreeably to the correct colours.

I will continue to discuss how to read soccer charts under the topic " Algorythm for reading football charts" which I have opened for that purpose.

Greetings
Janis

Andrew Bevan wrote: This is true. The question is "- What has changed?" There is something we are missing or haven't quite worked out. Something going on in the background influencing the overall sentiment or sway of the day?

I'd say nothing has changed, only that it was "luck" that I managed to do that. If you look at some of the games in groups, there seems to be patterns like say, the blue teams all either win or draw and then there will be no patterns for a number of weeks or months. If you think about how many games are played on a Saturday in Europe, it is inevitable that at least one of the leagues will have such patterns and it is inevitable that it will happen on one of the weeks you look to the specific league if you are looking every round of games of that season. I tend to be quite fatalistic in regards to astrology especially when considering the specificity of predictions I have made in my own life, so I don't think the astrology is going to stop working just because it is football, or there are many games on that day or that the league isn't as "important" when compared to other leagues. So, for me, that is an indication we are completely on the wrong track in our methods of prediction.

As for the charts, they are in Solar Fire format. If anyone wants them, I can upload them to a file-hosting website and people can take them as they please.

Janis Valkovskis wrote:The problem lies not so much in astrology, but in lack (accuracy) of available information, correctness of bookies odds, etc. In fact, we would be able with the help of astrology to tell 80-90% correct World Cup 2014, Europe 2012, Champions League, Europe League, Premier League, Bundesliga, France I League, Italy I League, Spain I League, Scandinavian leagues and some other top leagues about which information is more or less available and to a greater or lesser extent reliable.

The information is readily avaiable if you know where to look. I never even bothered using bookie's odds to be honest. I just looked to the previous year's league table and the current year's which giveas a decent indication of teams' relative abilities and from there I had four or five stratas of teams. For colours, I would go to the club's website and try to find some photographs or a "club shop" page.

In regards to 80-90%, do you mean that you would expect to get that level of accuracy in your predictions?

I hope, yes for top football. It is not impossible, for there are rules which seem to be working and which I will discuss in 'Algorythm for reading football charts'.

My experience shows that there are different rules for different level of football. And it varies from country to country. For instance, in Italy Serie B, most of charts being radical shows nothing but draw (statistically even 30-40% of games are draw). In Premier League, Bundesliga and Scandinavian Leagues such charts in most occasions show nothing but a fave's win. Astrology works, but currently the nut is very hard for me to crack.

The further you get down into the leagues, the less radical the matches get.
The games can get rather 'Honky Tonk'. Everyone are underdogs!

Andrew Bevan wrote:The further you get down into the leagues, the less radical the matches get.
The games can get rather 'Honky Tonk'. Everyone are underdogs!

How do you work that one out? That everyone is the underdog, I mean.

How do you work that one out? That everyone is the underdog, I mean.

I can see what you mean. It was a way of putting it. Instead of two teams meeting at the top level, which seems a fair contest, or the leading team of the premiership meeting the team at the bottom - where the latter is the underdog, it is an occasion where two teams are meeting at the bottom or beyond. I don't know whether we should go as far as term them as loosers - that would be pushing it. Also teams at the bottom score goals and win a game or two, but it is irregular. Team stability is less present. Day form may be a greater variable. I guess this factor gets larger as you go down into the divisions. I imagine some amateur teams even may have had difficulty finding 11 men.

Put up against a top premier league team, either of these teams would be accounted an underdog with the potential of winning a lucky game, maybe 1 out of 20.

A radical chart shows celestial attunement - peak performance. When the chart is not radical, then delivery is more into the rough. The celestial instrument is not in tune. The piano may cause great pleasure down at the local pub, but utterly useless in a concert hall. The artist would be facing a firing squad by the end of the day.

Your point is, Konrad, that when two teams of a lower level meet there is no underdog but a fair contest. Point taken. I used the description to suggest that game is moving away from quality and radicality. There is another thing here, which of course is interesting, this is i.e. that ManU is not always 'ManU'. What I mean is that Ferguson isn't always forwarding his first team. The best men may be on rest and the guys on the pitch may be the 2nd eleven. This is a puzzling factor, because in this sense it would appear to be a different team and I would quite be sure who was playing.

Andrew Bevan wrote:

How do you work that one out? That everyone is the underdog, I mean.

I can see what you mean. It was a way of putting it. Instead of two teams meeting at the top level, which seems a fair contest, or the leading team of the premiership meeting the team at the bottom - where the latter is the underdog, it is an occasion where two teams are meeting at the bottom or beyond. I don't know whether we should go as far as term them as loosers - that would be pushing it. Also teams at the bottom score goals and win a game or two, but it is irregular. Team stability is less present. Day form may be a greater variable. I guess this factor gets larger as you go down into the divisions. I imagine some amateur teams even may have had difficulty finding 11 men.

Put up against a top premier league team, either of these teams would be accounted an underdog with the potential of winning a lucky game, maybe 1 out of 20.

A radical chart shows celestial attunement - peak performance. When the chart is not radical, then delivery is more into the rough. The celestial instrument is not in tune. The piano may cause great pleasure down at the local pub, but utterly useless in a concert hall. The artist would be facing a firing squad by the end of the day.

Your point is, Konrad, that when two teams of a lower level meet there is no underdog but a fair contest. Point taken. I used the description to suggest that game is moving away from quality and radicality. There is another thing here, which of course is interesting, this is i.e. that ManU is not always 'ManU'. What I mean is that Ferguson isn't always forwarding his first team. The best men may be on rest and the guys on the pitch may be the 2nd eleven. This is a puzzling factor, because in this sense it would appear to be a different team and I would quite be sure who was playing.

Alright.

No, my point is that there are favourites/underdogs at every level, and sometimes even more pronounced at the lower levels of football, so I really don't see how the level of the league affects how the astrology works. What about the fact that League One in England will be of a similar level than some of the top leagues in the smaller countries of Europe? Are they now void because of that? Where is the cut-off point? What are the things we look for to decide if the league is of a high enough level? Or what about the realtively big clubs who are currently in League One (both Sheffield clubs, for instance) when compared to say, Dagenham and Redbridge?

I'd suggest it is the astrology that has to change if you have to shoe-horn it in with concepts outside of it but that is just my opinion on it.

I do agree with you, but I the underdogs have appeared to perform better when the chart was less radical. And this seemed to reflect conditions that were more in agreement with the lower leagues. Conditions get more hoarse. The game gets rougher or less tidy, or the ball is more subject to bounce in unexpected directions.

This is just a way of looking at it to try and understand the depth of water that we are wading in. I am really a great enthusiast of the lower leagues and particularly when there is nothing else going on.

Again - I do agree with you. A contest is a contest, and why should there be a difference? The baffling matter with football is all the variables.