Konrad wrote:

Of course but in Bonatti's charts, he is using the Asc/Dsc axis, so one of the rulers in detriment will show it positioned in the other's house - not a consideration here.

Have you taken note of when a significator is in aversion to its dispositor?

In practice it is the same, if a planet is not its house, it is in the power of the planet who rules the sign which the former is traversing. It only matters as a consideration here if there is a team wearing a kit the colours of which embodies the ruling planet. If there is no such team, I judge the first planet's strength, first, after its accidental strength (angular or not) and, second, the condition of its dispositor, namely if there is a negative reception (one in other's detriment of fall or other), or the dispositor is badly placed or inconjunct (only whole sign aspects), etc.

The same I started doing for the Sun and the Moon with respect to their dispositor; I have observed that the power to act of the relevant luminary seems to depend on the relationship with its dispositor (opposition seems to be lethal, inconjunction tends to draw in general) the same I do for POF and its dispositor and consider the same (opposition if close to partile is lethal, inconjunction tends to draw). Then I weigh up the testimonies which is the hardest part of the task.

A 30 aspect (whole signs) seem neither harm much nor support the sig; more likely it harms the sig.

Janis Valkovskis wrote:Konrad wrote:

Of course but in Bonatti's charts, he is using the Asc/Dsc axis, so one of the rulers in detriment will show it positioned in the other's house - not a consideration here.

Have you taken note of when a significator is in aversion to its dispositor?

In practice it is the same, if a planet is not its house, it is in the power of the planet who rules the sign which the former is traversing. It only matters as a consideration here if there is a team wearing a kit the colours of which embodies the ruling planet. If there is no such team, I judge the first planet's strength, first, after its accidental strength (angular or not) and, second, the condition of its dispositor, namely if there is a negative reception (one in other's detriment of fall or other), or the dispositor is badly placed or inconjunct (only whole sign aspects), etc.

The same I started doing for the Sun and the Moon with respect to their dispositor; I have observed that the power to act of the relevant luminary seems to depend on the relationship with its dispositor (opposition seems to be lethal, inconjunction tends to draw in general) the same I do for POF and its dispositor and consider the same (opposition if close to partile is lethal, inconjunction tends to draw). Then I weigh up the testimonies which is the hardest part of the task.

A 30 aspect (whole signs) seem neither harm much nor support the sig; more likely it harms the sig.

Ok, thanks for explaining.

I am assuming that your use of the sect light and the POF are describing the team expected to win. Am I correct in that?

I am assuming that your use of the sect light and the POF are describing the team expected to win. Am I correct in that?

That's right, but I put much more credibility of the relationship of the sect light with its dispositor than POF and its dispositor. If there is a positive relationship (good reception or at least an aspect, except of course oposition), it's a good news for the fave in general, if one currupts in the way I said previously it's a bad news. If the relevant planet or the sect light is the sig you can be more confident. The Moon below horizont in a night chart in general is bad, in particular if his dispositor is out of sect.

Janis Valkovskis wrote:

I am assuming that your use of the sect light and the POF are describing the team expected to win. Am I correct in that?

That's right, but I put much more credibility of the relationship of the sect light with its dispositor than POF and its dispositor. If there is a positive relationship (good reception or at least an aspect, except of course oposition), it's a good news for the fave in general, if one currupts in the way I said previously it's a bad news. If the relevant planet or the sect light is the sig you can be more confident. The Moon below horizont in a night chart in general is bad, in particular if his dispositor is out of sect.

It is interesting that you say that as I have been reading some natal astrology tonight which states that a planet is more at ease in the domicile of one of their sect-mates.

Would you mind looking at a chart I have tonight which I am not seeing the resolution of?

I agree, we can discuss it personally via email (dzivibaskoks@inbox.lv) or here in the forum as you please.

Thanks. I'll do it here just so others can learn from it too.




Match is Cambridge vs Southport in the Blue Square Premier. Both are about the same positions. Cambridge wear yellow shirts and black shorts and Southport are presumably in their change kit of white with black trim and small hoops and black shorts as seen here in a recent match against Alfreton Town FC:
Moon is in a good place but with a debilitated dispositor. I'm going for Cambridge as the Sun who is in the 6th place in not-reception with its dispositor and in the fall of the hour lord and either Venus or Saturn as Southport's significator. Either way they have an advantage over Cambridge (Saturn disposes the Sun, Venus the hour lord).

The final result was Cambridge 3 - 0 Southport.

Of course but in Bonatti's charts...

Unfortunately, Bonatti hadn't got the faintest clue about the Premier League and I am not sure he did football charts. I do think that if astrological principles can be taken to judge the outfall of footbll contests, then surely this indeed is surpassing Bonatti. This is the challenge...

First, we must consider whether the sig (agreeably to colours) has any dignity on ASC. If Cambrigde played in yellow, then their sig Sun rules ASC by house. It's good.

Well, the Sun is inconjunct his domicile and inconjunct the Moon (sect light), but this should not be a serious debility if the sig has strong dignity on ASC.

Second, we must consider how the Moon is received by the sigs and vice versa. The Sun does not receive her. If Stockport plays in white with black trim, then gets Saturn as the sig. Saturn also does not receive the Moon by any of major dignities. So the Moon neither helps nor harms any sig.

If one had played in blue and it one was the home fave, then according to what I have observed, the chart shows bad prospects for jupiterian team.

The Sun, the sig in Capricorn, fall of Jupiter, who ruled the hour and day. It might be considered as a slight debility but not as such if it was vice versa - Jupiter were the sig. ASC is the starting point, footing for any chart and then your planet must be strong. It is more worse if the lord of ASC corrupts the sig (as it was Everton - Bolton) than the sig being corrupted by the lord of hour, in this case Jupiter (Sun in the fall of Jupiter).

Assigning Venus as the sig to Southport is a precarious business, then Southport should have won on account of her being the only angular planet in the chart.

All considered I would expect Cambridge to win, but Southport should have scored which was not the case.

May be Cambridge played in their home kit (blue), I was unable to find any videos or photos. Then the clue is the sect luminary in detriment of Jupiter, Gemini.

Cambridge's home kit is yellow and black:

http://www.cambridge-united.co.uk/page/ ... 80,00.html

Didn't you say that if a significator has not-reception with the sect light, then that is bad for that significator? The Sun is in the Moon's detriment. Plus the Sun is in not-reception with his dispositor while Saturn rules the Sun.

So your hierarchy is Asc => Sect light => Hour Lord => Lot of Fortune?

Konrad wrote:

Didn't you say that if a significator has not-reception with the sect light, then that is bad for that significator? The Sun is in the Moon's detriment. Plus the Sun is in not-reception with his dispositor while Saturn rules the Sun.

So your hierarchy is Asc => Sect light => Hour Lord => Lot of Fortune?

As regards the hierarchy I first consider whether the sig has any dignity on ASC, then comes the sect light, lord of hour, POF and its dispositor, other testimonies. However, any of them may be overruled by a strong angular sig. That's right that the Sun's position with respect to the sect light and his dispositor is not very promising, therefore I would expect Southport to score which was not the case.

All this testimonies should be viewed in the light whether the chart is radical or not (agreement between ASC, its lord and lord of hour), this also may affect the result.

I wrote:

May be Cambridge played in their home kit (blue), I was unable to find any videos or photos. Then the clue is the sect luminary in detriment of Jupiter, Gemini.

I meant Southport whose home kit is blue, sorry for confusion. If it was the case, the clue is the sect luminary in detriment of Jupiter, Gemini.

Ok got it.

Southport also play in yellow and black:

FA Cup dominates today;

Just looking at the general significations for the 15.00hrs games, I see 4 degrees Cancer rising in London. The Moon L1 applies by trine to Saturn L7. Saturn is exalted and still in reception with Venus. Games appear to be played in the hour of Mars, so the chart is radical, although by triplicity.

I've put a few penny on a few games, picking a few favourites at large;
Barnsley - Swansea, I think Swansea at the price of 2,35:1
Milton Keynes - QPR, another away win at the price of 2,6:1
Gillingham - Stoke City, Stoke at a price of 1,6:1
Middlesbrough - Shrewsbury, Middlesbrough at 1,45:1 seems a fair price

Tottenham - Cheltenham: 1,18:1 for Spurs
Everton - Tamworth: 1,10:1 for the home win

Just for the fun of it!