37 by james_m juan, my own experience is this.. i am working with symbols and i am making connections between those symbols and reality.. now whether one wants to call this science or art, or even astrology, i don't really care too much but it is in the context of how most people know astrology.. the main thing is in the 'doing'.. if on the other hand the main thing is in 'tearing something apart' i suppose that is fine too, but that is not my focus and why i think what i do astrologically is more art then anything else.. i might be wrong, but it seems like a game of semantics to you from what i read here.. nixx - i have been trying to send you some pms but they are going thru blank for some reason, and i have had the same experience with some of my posts from earlier today on the mundane thread.. hopefully it will get fixed so you can read my reply and hopefully this message goes thru as well.. cheers Juan wrote:james_m wrote:how would you categorize or define "modelling of reality" as you put it? Essentially, astrologers reduce any human reality to celestial coordinates, according to specific procedural and semantic rules and conventions. Thus, for instance, the discrete abstract coordinate that astrologers call "a planet" is not representing the astronomical planet, rather, the astronomical planet is reduced to an abstract coordinate which is then used to represent something else by means of conventionalized semantic attributions or symbolization. Astrology cannot map how planetary energies affect us because these energies and their way of operating are not known. We can't make a model of what is unknown. But we can take advantage of the order of the heavens assigning to each astronomical point a specific cultural category, and use the result to model or map what we experience here on earth or inside human consciousness. A birth chart (for example) is not a map of the sky, but a map (model) of a human being. Juan Quote Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:23 pm