I rectified his chart to 17.01.44 ADT Asc 18TAU18'.
Jupiter and Mercury conjunct Vertex trine Uranus in 12th, which is ruler of MC. Helio Mercury conjunct MC ! Helio Venus sextile Moon and geo Venus, Part of Fortune 180 Jupiter- all these aspects fit him perfectly.
The main primary directions in Topocentric system for the election on 13 March:
Jupiter 60 Sun 2'
Jupiter 180 XII 10'
Secondary: Mercury conjunct MC 5'
Moon 120 Jupiter 14'.
In the Solar Return Mercury 120 MC, Jupiter 60 MC.
In the converse Solar Return, precession corrected, Jupiter exactly on MC! Mercury conjunct radical Jupiter orb 17'.
All the return charts casting for Buenos Aires.

Isaac Starkman wrote:I rectified his chart to 17.01.44 ADT Asc 18TAU18'.
Jupiter and Mercury conjunct Vertex trine Uranus in 12th, which is ruler of MC. Helio Mercury conjunct MC ! Helio Venus sextile Moon and geo Venus, Part of Fortune 180 Jupiter- all these aspects fit him perfectly.
The main primary directions in Topocentric system for the election on 13 March:
Jupiter 60 Sun 2'
Jupiter 180 XII 10'
Secondary: Mercury conjunct MC 5'
Moon 120 Jupiter 14'.
In the Solar Return Mercury 120 MC, Jupiter 60 MC.
In the converse Solar Return, precession corrected, Jupiter exactly on MC! Mercury conjunct radical Jupiter orb 17'.
All the return charts casting for Buenos Aires.

The topocentrics look good.
Would you be able to post the topocentric directions at age 21 and for 2005 when he was not elected pope.

A plausible rectification? Yes, but it is not correct. We have now the recorded birth time: 21.00 ADT- see Astrodatabank for the document.
I rectified this birth time to 20.49 ADT Asc 7CAN19'.
Now Sun, Mercury & Jupiter on Desc, trine MC. MC is also sextile Node and helio Mercury.
In the relocation chart for Rome Jupiter and Mercury on IC., Uranus sextile MC.
Primary directions in Topocentric system for the election:
MC 0 Venus 4'
For the death of Juan Paul II and not elected as Pope:
Sun 90 Pluto 1'
Neptune 0 Asc 0'
Mercury 90 VIII 2'
Mars 120 MC 2'
XII 0 PAF 3'
For becoming Bishop on 20 May 1992:
NN 120 Asc 4'
Sun 60 NN 4'
Jupiter 120 Asc 5'
I don't have the month his lung was removed at age 21.

It is AA FOR 2100hrs and we have the white smoke for someone with a 9th lord in detriment. and exchange of sign between Jupiter and Saturn.
Suits a Jesuit.

He is much more saintly in the sidereal.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 0103#80103

9th lord Saturn in 9th. Jupiter in own sign in the 7th.
If you have the Jyotish bent with a liking for an Indian sounding ayanamsha.
Jupiter is exalted in Navamsha.

'saintly in sidereal'.. i like that!

tom, you have quoted a time for the new pope.. would you like to give a link where you are getting this 510pm time? pankajdubey, where are you getting the AA rating for 5pm? thanks.

The AA is for time of 2100hrs.

An Argentinian astrologer got from birth registry office.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Francis_I.

The 5.10 PM time has been corrected to 2100hrs.

PD

9 pm - thanks pankajdubey! - james
those pesky rectifications can be very slippery even with software!

additional info :
regarding the connection of jupiter and neptune to religion, i was just looking more closely at the new time for the new pope francis 1 of 9pm.
the exact midpoint to jupiter/neptune in his chart is 11 scorpio 15.

the long station of saturn at 11 scorpio 31 from about feb 12th while this whole process of electing a new pope on march 13th where saturn was at 11 scorpio 04 is an obvious connection to the election chart data.

the connection of this midpoint to his natal moon at 12 aquarius 32 is also fairly obvious.. what might not be so obvious is the 45 degree aspect to his natal sun at 25 sag 54..

at any rate, this (i think) is an example of the influence of a midpoint showing up strongly on a chart.

what might be most interesting about all of this is how 'saturn' a planet that is supposed to noted for many things relatively negative, can also be so highlighted in ones achievement of something so outstanding as well. i suppose this is one of the many reasons that i hold to the idea of saturn being capable of bringing something positive as much as something negative.. and i suppose these terms - positive and negative are really all very relative..

Its in Italian but a link to the actual birth certificate:

http://www.armonics2zero.it/index.php/a ... afe-parlo/

Mark

I doubt a guy like him would have Jupiter in detriment,and as lord of 9th.
I must have a careful look at sideral charts.
And have a look at other popes charts

SGFoxe wrote:wasn't the last pope predicted to be Peter the Roman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
St. Francis of Assisi (Italian: San Francesco d'Assisi, born Giovanni di Pietro di Bernardone

damon wrote:I doubt a guy like him would have Jupiter in detriment,and as lord of 9th.
I must have a careful look at sideral charts.
And have a look at other popes charts

I have an explanation.
He is the first secular Pope.
Soon you will have a new International Secular Bible that doesn't mention Jesus or God.
A few chapters could be deleted.


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In his natal chart Jupiter is in fall and swapping signs with Saturn.
Sidereal makes both Jupiter and Saturn strong - making him a poor mans priest.
He has coauthored a book with a Rabbi, talks to Muslim leaders and on good terms with eastern church.That is why he is almost as religious as the secular politicians.

PD